Make Edp Bottle Unusable By Other Jobs Inside Pvp Room/pvp Maps

[7lovestories]

Hello good day! Im here to suggest to make EDP bottle unusable by other jobs inside pvp room becoz its been ppl's habit especially (SOTONG) to suicide whenever they're getting ganged or if they feel that they cant match their opponents. My point is EDP bottles is made for Sinx and besides its very annoying that everytime u aim for a kill they just gonna use EDP bottle to avoid being killed inside pvp. What's the sense of player vs. player? It supposed to be Fight to win? or be Defeated and die. And if they're problem is being ganged theres 200+players outside that he/she can party.

Thank you and more power

[ThePerfectHit]

+1 I don't go to PvP for some reasons, but I understand your argument and support it fully.

[Skye]

I see your point, EDP before getting killed means no kills for you.. Some players do that

BUT, some players EDP so they don't have to log off and lose the time for the activity tokens (correct me if I'm wrong) Activity tokens are really important for some, so as PvP, and having to log off will mean +1 hour to get 1 activity token, and letting somebody kill you will mean +1 death to you.

I see in which ways removing the EDP effect inside PvP Room for other jobs will be better. But in other ways its just unfavorable.

In my opinion.. it's not a very good idea

Edited April 12, 2012 by Skye

[7lovestories]

Its not about the activity token. My point is PVP is a place for player to prove their strength. If ppl cares about not losing activity token why pvp then? Or they could just sit fcity and earn the tokens there. What i want to happen is to remove the EDP bottle effect for other jobs so that it would be called a player vs player. What's happening is they poof and kill and if their enemy is going for its kill they gonna suicide and repeat what they do. And besides PVP is not a room for cowards... its a place where u prove you are strong. Kill or be killed.

And i believe its a good idea.

[Shadi]

I see where this is coming from but I have to disagree with it.

A lot of changes would have to be made to the current pvp scenario in order to disable the posion bottles as well. Cause as you stated you wanted it to be player vs player. Right now it's Huge team vs player. Which only encourages the use of items such as the poison bottle. If there would be ways to turn pvp back into the way it once was, with regular one on one fights, then maybe removing the poison bottles would be fair. But right now I don't think changing this would benefit the "fairness" of pvp.

Also, you cant force people that want the activity tokens to just sit in town all day. Activity tokens were supposed to promote activity. Even though it didn't work out the way it was planned, telling someone to go inactive in town to gain activity coupons isn't very logical.

P.S I think using a poison bottle still grants a pvp ladder death. So their ratio would still be troublesome.

Edited April 13, 2012 by Shadi

[Meka Meka]

I see your point, EDP before getting killed means no kills for you.. Some players do that

BUT, some players EDP so they don't have to log off and lose the time for the activity tokens (correct me if I'm wrong) Activity tokens are really important for some, so as PvP, and having to log off will mean +1 hour to get 1 activity token, and letting somebody kill you will mean +1 death to you.I see in which ways removing the EDP effect inside PvP Room for other jobs will be better. But in other ways its just unfavorable. In my opinion.. it's not a very good idea

If I get this straight, what you're saying is that when you die in ladder, you relog and lose your time? I'm not sure that adds up to an excuse to use EDP in ladder to deny someone else their fair kill.

P.S I think using a poison bottle still grants a pvp ladder death. So their ratio would still be troublesome.

Not true. Death by poison bottle doesn't count.

Edited April 13, 2012 by Meka Meka

[Nightvol]

I totally agree with Sai.

Edited April 13, 2012 by Nightvol

[Skye]

Don't get me wrong, it's obviously not an excuse, but for some players the activity tokens are important. I totally support that someone runing away from the fight is wrong. But I don't think taking the EDP effect out is a solution for everybody. Though I don't really see any other solution for this :/

[Nightvol]

Then at least make death by poison bottle count as death.

[killee07]

Then at least make death by poison bottle count as death.

+1. Or render a -1 kill in ladder from dying with an EDP bottle. Works both ways, whichever is easier to implement.

[Levis]

On the one hand it's as the most stated, they try to avoid being killed by using an EDP Bottle.

On the other hand we do not want to relog always and lose an Activity Token, or have to wait until someone gets inside to kill you.

So, the fastest way is to use an EDP bottle (except for Sinx). Now you want to tell me it's an excuse? Sorry dear, it's not.

Solution? If it's ever possible to script inside PvP room, only being able to use an EDP Bottle, if you have been not being in a battle (attacked) for at least 10 seconds (same as relogging). We will benefit from it, if it's possible to script something like that. You cannot use an EDP Bottle in a battle AND if you really just want to use an EDP Bottle to suicide to save relogging and not losing an activity token you'd have to be at least 10 seconds out of a combat. It's similar to the new @noks command.

+1 for my own solution. =]

Edited April 15, 2012 by Levis

[Meka Meka]

If you're seriously laddering (aka vying for the top 3 places) , do you really expect yourself to have a 1 hour-long kill streak? (1 Activity Token per hour)

Maybe you just want to check how many are inside? The ladder NPC has a neat little function that tells you how many are inside.

Maybe you want to know that it's not someone's dead alt watching for cheaters? Have you tried duel clienting or asking a friend to check for you?

[Veggie&Mac]

Just because you fight with some faggots doesnt mean it should be unusable in pvp, that kill doesnt count, so is not a big deal

Alt F4 is like edp, other very gay way to run from the fight.

[Meka Meka]

Depends on your ping. You can alt+F4 and still be killed because your chara stays active in game before you actually log out. Not really comparable to EDP.

[Veggie&Mac]

Touche!

But the point is the EDP kill doesnt count for you! so if he/you die by edp/alt+f4 or get killed/ganged by others it will be the same.

[Echo]

The way I see it, is that EDP is specially for Assassin Cross. Its a poison which is specially for Assassin its just right for other players to drink it and die because its poison. Its more realistic if a non Assassin class drink it they die.

However disabling this for other player to use is not really the best idea like Skye said.

Disagree.

[Cookiezzzz]

I will have to agree with this. I have personal experience with edp drinkers. (Sotong). I wasted a lot of materials and didn't get the kill. Nor did he gain a death. I agree with the 10 sec delay as mentioned above. It is a wonderful alternative.

[Nightvol]

I will have to agree with this. I have personal experience with edp drinkers. (Sotong). I wasted a lot of materials and didn't get the kill. Nor did he gain a death. I agree with the 10 sec delay as mentioned above. It is a wonderful alternative.

LOL

[Cookiezzzz]

LOL

Can I help you?

[SquidySquid]

^{Hmm. Well. I totally agree with this. Although there are many other players using poison bottle too. For instance, Jan was using a lot last week. :( I was annoyed by it and I am AWARED of how many ppl i annoyed when I laddered.}

Disagree part.

Many aggressive members were dying in pvp room last week friday. I think they run out of seeds and no poison bottle to suicide. Especially when they pvp againts someone. :) Don't feel mad. I am not talking bout you. :)

[Cookiezzzz]

^{Hmm. Well. I totally agree with this. Although there are many other players using poison bottle too. For instance, Jan was using a lot last week. :( I was annoyed by it and I am AWARED of how many ppl i annoyed when I laddered.}

Disagree part.

Many aggressive members were dying in pvp room last week friday. I think they run out of seeds and no poison bottle to suicide. Especially when they pvp againts someone. :) Don't feel mad. I am not talking bout you. :)

Well the amount of seeds u carry is part of the gameplay.

[Levis]

Indeed, sometimes a long duel will be decided by the amount of seeds and thus using edp will result in escaping from a sure death when your stock is nearly zero. So, I'd like to boost my suggestion again, it's giving a good alternative for us in PvP room, to differ between in fights and simple relogging.

[SquidySquid]

Well. Let's just put this in scenario case. If a lk came in and you're laddering on sniper. I would use poison bottle straight away. For a sniper to pvp with LK will be put myself in great disadvantage. And it just simply wasting my seeds. In addition, I am not as rich as you guys. I got not much seed tixs. So yeah. Just my opinion.

[Solace]

Solution? If it's ever possible to script inside PvP room, only being able to use an EDP Bottle, if you have been not being in a battle (attacked) for at least 10 seconds (same as relogging). We will benefit from it, if it's possible to script something like that. You cannot use an EDP Bottle in a battle AND if you really just want to use an EDP Bottle to suicide to save relogging and not losing an activity token you'd have to be at least 10 seconds out of a combat. It's similar to the new @noks command.

If this is possible, then I agree with this idea. At the moment, I believe that too many people are abusing EDP bottles to get out of the pvp room, and avoid losing a death/giving the opponent a kill. In my opinion, EDPing to avoid death is not how the PvP room should be.

[SquidySquid]

And yes! I agreed with what Levis suggested above.