supream Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 i noticed there hasn't been as many people playing here as there use to be, and i think i know the reason for that. i know people dont want it here but third classes are a selling point in private servers now. since iro has put them into there game not having them here will turn people away. if possible, although i dont think it is, can u make two separate servers one with third class and one with just trans? if not then we gotta find a way to balance them so they can be implemented into the game. whether you guys like it or not no third classes means no new people. 1
Beautiful Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 i do agree that 3rd class are a selling point. i remember when i was looking for servers 3rd classes where indeed a plus to have. but it is more then just " 3rd classes " there are tons of reasons why players join the server then maybe within a few days leave. - donations are heavily based. whoever says they arent are crazy. ( no matter how you tell yourself that donations dont mean anything you are wrong. yes you dont have to donate to the server since there are no exclusive items since they are tradeable but no matter what donations players / old players have the upper hand against newer coming players ) - Economy ( as of right now the economy is dropping which should mean players would be able to get items at a lower price but while prices drop, this always makes older players want to leave since all of the things they spend tons of tokens on are slowly draining, not just that but items that are really good for certain classes are "Higher prices then normal" and idk about you but farming speeds,seeds,yggs and all that wont make you atleast 1k-2k worth of items. since most items go for atleast 700 ) - Older Players are Bullies ( lets be honest the people who have more gears tend to pick on the newer players. some people like to help them by giving them maybe an aura and a set something like that but those things wont help when most players can practically one shot noobs. when i first started it was always getting randomed and it was super annoying. at one point it made me want to stop player because Olders players dominate the server. ) - Farming ( alot of things that new players like to hunt for " Mvps, yggs and such " are again dominated by olders players. people spawn camp mvps like Kiel, Tao, Turtle General, Thanatos. it makes it impossible for new players to really earn anything of value while still being a fairly new player. also id like to add that there COULD be some Bots roaming around farming certain items that sell for high amounts and makes it hard for newer plays to farm with them ) - Nothing to really do ( i dont want this to sound mean but what do people do when they log on. usually just pvp a little bit and sit around afking. i know gms cant be on 100% of the time and i noticed there are a lot more events everyday then a few weeks back but reguardless there isnt anything to do ) and 3rd class balancing are hard to do. it has its flaws and personally we have yet to fully balance out the trans classes since we have special items that increase damage. 3rd classes would be nice but they arent a must have.
Veracity Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Hi there! Third classes aren't going to be introduced here for the time being, but that may change in the future. However, we would love to hear ideas for new things you guys would like us to add to the server to make it more fun and entertaining!
HealHard Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Third classes alone would not make situation any better. Okay, new players join the new server with 3rd classes. Whats then? the "old" server (the one we are playing) will die even faster as alot of local players will go to the new server one to try it out. So its either this very server is changed to 3rd classes or it remains the way it is. Also, note that implementing third classes would require a LOT of work. Many skills are not even working on eAthena at the moment. all these bugs and global items remaking... it will take months of work. and years to make it run smoothly and balance classes. The real problem of the server is that RO itself is a hardcore game that requires a lot of time. most of hardcore players have already found their "homes" either on official or private servers. And they will never go to play another server because it means that they have to start it all over again. RO is old, community is growing smaller, very few new people join, and lot of old players leave. Its a general problem of old MMOs. To attract more people, you just need to advertise the server on RMS / gamesites200 / extremetop100 etc. Then all the potential clients will go to Fro. Also voting system should be completely repaired and new rewards should be added. Voting is very important to make server popular. And talking about that very big post about problems of this server : 1. Donations are not so OP as they are on most of other private servers. You know what could make this server best? like 5/10$ per month premium accounts with some extra features. because its either non stop new OP items release or a stable monthly payments. No other way. 2. Economy is the thing that regulates itself. if people have alot of emperium auras then they gonna become cheap. if there are only 2 Bragis on server then they gonna be overpriced. its natural and healthy process. The only change it needs is to make Very Rich people waste their tokens on SOMETHING and return them to game. 3. In every single MMO / Server old players are bullies. Even in real life noone will love you from the first sight if you come to new place where people know each other for years. 4. How come evil old players dominate market? everyone can farm those things and sell them. And MVP timing is a normal thing on any server. 5. If you got nothing to do in game - go outside and get some fresh air in lungs. But most people find events /WOE/GVG entertaining, PVP ladder is fun for others, some people log in to chat with others, some people hang out in forfild. Others just farm or hunt MVPs. if nothing of those appeals to you then maybe you should just take some rest of the game?
Aerynth Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Third classes alone would not make situation any better. Okay, new players join the new server with 3rd classes. Whats then? the "old" server (the one we are playing) will die even faster as alot of local players will go to the new server one to try it out. So its either this very server is changed to 3rd classes or it remains the way it is. Also, note that implementing third classes would require a LOT of work. Many skills are not even working on eAthena at the moment. all these bugs and global items remaking... it will take months of work. and years to make it run smoothly and balance classes. The real problem of the server is that RO itself is a hardcore game that requires a lot of time. most of hardcore players have already found their "homes" either on official or private servers. And they will never go to play another server because it means that they have to start it all over again. RO is old, community is growing smaller, very few new people join, and lot of old players leave. Its a general problem of old MMOs. To attract more people, you just need to advertise the server on RMS / gamesites200 / extremetop100 etc. Then all the potential clients will go to Fro. Also voting system should be completely repaired and new rewards should be added. Voting is very important to make server popular. And talking about that very big post about problems of this server : 1. Donations are not so OP as they are on most of other private servers. You know what could make this server best? like 5/10$ per month premium accounts with some extra features. because its either non stop new OP items release or a stable monthly payments. No other way. 2. Economy is the thing that regulates itself. if people have alot of emperium auras then they gonna become cheap. if there are only 2 Bragis on server then they gonna be overpriced. its natural and healthy process. The only change it needs is to make Very Rich people waste their tokens on SOMETHING and return them to game. 3. In every single MMO / Server old players are bullies. Even in real life noone will love you from the first sight if you come to new place where people know each other for years. 4. How come evil old players dominate market? everyone can farm those things and sell them. And MVP timing is a normal thing on any server. 5. If you got nothing to do in game - go outside and get some fresh air in lungs. But most people find events /WOE/GVG entertaining, PVP ladder is fun for others, some people log in to chat with others, some people hang out in forfild. Others just farm or hunt MVPs. if nothing of those appeals to you then maybe you should just take some rest of the game? I agree with Eugene, if another server is open for Fro exclusively for 3rd Classes. Everyone would indeed move to the new one and start neglecting the old ones, I know some of us wont, but its definitely not gonna bring anyone new to the old one anymore if the new one is created. As he said the skills are all not balanced and its still in an experimental level. It would take months and years to actually get everything balance again. About the economy, I agree with Eugene, the problem we have now is that there isn't enough tokens running around the server in a very long time, people who are selling items sometimes could take weeks to sell or do not sell at all. It's either there has too many of the same items loitering around like the Emps, or not having enough currency cause the old players rather keep their token and not wasting it. I have not played this game for a year yet but when I started there was many times that I wanted to quit due to the bullies, I just didn't like being KOS by the old players but that is what motivated me to farm more and prove my place. It might not be for everyone, but for some, we take it positively. So we can't do anything much about this. Let's face it, we have bullied new comers once or more in our time playing Fro. About no.5 which is exactly right, if there is nothing to do, go out and have some fresh air. There is a life outside of gaming. We only truly play Fro when there is WoE/GvG/PvP Ladder and other Events, other times we spend chatting around is cause we really have nothing much to do in real life and gaming is the only thing to do. However I do agree that we need things to make our server interesting again. 3rd Classes are by far the most interesting anything Ro can get, maybe not now but soon I hope. I really hope it gets implemented tho, cause I myself was searching for servers with 3rd classes. I only played Fro cause my friend introduced it to me. I normally don't go to a server whose not in the top 20 in RMS server listing. The voting must be fixed, and I believe that we should also get compensated for the amount of time its being down again. Edited February 13, 2012 by Aerynth
Beautiful Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 calm down guys. i was just given reasons to why ppl may quit xD.
bentennyson Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 i agree we need 3rd job class too it kinda cool went a sniper have a animal to ride on :P
Bishop Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 In my opinion there's aspects of renewal that are cool and good to add (such as different type of mounts, new mobs, new items). However I absolutely disgust third job classes. It will take months if not years to balance the classes. Not even mentioning that over half of the skills are still bugged on eAthena. Third job classes being the 'most interesting thing RO can get' is something I completely disagree with. I think adding third job classes is one way of destroying a server and there have been quite some servers that closed while trying to convert to renewal, others had to revert back. Adding renewal before everything is functional is already a big "nono". And once everything would be functional it would take extremely long to balance everything once again. So they might be added sooner or later but I personally hope they won't be here anytime soon. However it would be fun to see renewal aspects added such as the new mobs and dungeons.
Aerynth Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 I just thought to myself, how to make things interesting again. It's been long since Fro's custom storyline has been in the shadow. Maybe we should move on to the long awaited part II. At least something new to do again and something to look forward as right now, 3rd jobs aren't stable yet. Something to keep us interested and the server hyped again.
supream Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Posted February 13, 2012 well like i said the official server has third classes already so why are they still bugged
HealHard Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 well like i said the official server has third classes already so why are they still bugged Because official server is not the same as private one, my dear friend. Official servers use original software made by Gravity. eAthena is an emulator written by a group of enthusiasts. Thats why those skills are not working.
