Cosmetic Npc

[rasko]

With that attitude the only suggestions getting passed are the ones that are gang raided by forum lurkers. Not the actual people who spend 12 hours a day on RO and no afking in Fcity doesn't count. You can pretend like being rude and unproductive is the way the forums are supposed to work, but that just makes you one of those people that pushes new players away, and helps destroy the economy. I'm an active donator and a returning player and this kind of behavior is childish and ignorant. The point is to try to come up with solutions, not shoot potential solutions down because you feel like you have something to prove. A game isn't about needs, it's about fun, would this make things a bit more entertaining? For me yes, for you maybe not? However you can't speak for the other 150+ active players that don't spend more time on the forums than they do actually enjoying the game.

If you feel like you have something to say to me directly feel free to pm me, other than that keep the thread on topic.

Edited September 6, 2011 by rasko

[Aerynth]

Ok, Aerynth said 3 times he wanted it. And then he said he doesn't see the need for it. I don't see how that has anything to do with my comment.

And no one is raging. Calm down kid.

If I want to disagree with this suggestion, I'll keep disagreeing until it disappears. The suggestion forum is not for people to make suggestions and then keep improving them. It's to poke holes into flaky suggestions to really see if it's something that should be accepted or not.

I do want it, who doesn't? But its just not what we really want for this server. No one is raging, don't take rejection too seriously. I even gave you thumbs up for trying. What Kittie said is right, its to poke holes into flaky suggestion. Sorry bro, the tribe has spoken.

With that attitude the only suggestions getting passed are the ones that are gang raided by forum lurkers. Not the actual people who spend 12 hours a day on RO and no afking in Fcity doesn't count. You can pretend like being rude and unproductive is the way the forums are supposed to work, but that just makes you one of those people that pushes new players away, and helps destroy the economy. I'm an active donator and a returning player and this kind of behavior is childish and ignorant. The point is to try to come up with solutions, not shoot potential solutions down because you feel like you have something to prove. A game isn't about needs, it's about fun, would this make things a bit more entertaining? For me yes, for you maybe not? However you can't speak for the other 150+ active players that don't spend more time on the forums than they do actually enjoying the game.

If you feel like you have something to say to me directly feel free to pm me, other than that keep the thread on topic.

Feel free to make a poll, broadcast it if you may. We spoke our parts, if you insist, go ahead. I believe we're done talking bout this.

[rasko]

I do want it, who doesn't? But its just not what we really want for this server. No one is raging, don't take rejection too seriously. I even gave you thumbs up for trying. What Kittie said is right, its to poke holes into flaky suggestion. Sorry bro, the tribe has spoken.

The "tribe" is less than 5% of the active population man. Looking for more input before I let this one go. Edited September 6, 2011 by rasko

[Aerynth]

Like I said, make a poll and broadcast it.

[Kittie]

I'm sorry, but I don't know why you think me posting "I disagree" is speaking for the rest of the server. I believe you said this place is to voice my opinion, and I am.

I know you addressed the problems I pointed out with your solutions, but in my opinion they're not going to convince me. That's my opinion. When I say, "I still don't want it" it's not saying everyone doesn't want it. It's MY opinion, so don't tell me to stop posting that I don't want the suggestion. I've responded to your "solutions" but you keep posting the same things that don't really solve what I think is wrong with the suggestion.

Second, I don't know why you bring up being an active donator in this suggestion. Is that to make your suggestion and comments weigh more than mine? That's a really foolish assumption since a donation is not an entitlement to changing the server.

There is no childish behavior going on - just a solid discussion I'm trying to hold between you and the other posters here. All of the comments for the most part in this suggestion relate back to your original suggestion. You post something up, sometimes people agree, and sometimes people disagree. Not everyone is going to like the solutions you come up with - that's how this forum works.

In my eyes, the staff and Genesis (who does the bulk of the work) really has limited time to devote to new additions in terms of new PVP items or contests or quests. So when I disagree, it's because I feel the people who run this server should be focusing on other projects that haven't been completed yet.

And please do point out where I've been rude and unproductive. I gave my reasons and they are valid to why I disagree. I hardly sit in fcity and afk the entire time. I love PVPing so I understand what people use as visual cues to change equipment. The real PVPers are not one equipment set people, and are constantly changing equipment due to the other character. I've been on this server a long time, donate for almost everything new, and am active in a lot of the suggestion threads so I have an idea of what accepted suggestions still haven't been started yet.

[rasko]

I'm sorry, but I don't know why you think me posting "I disagree" is speaking for the rest of the server. I believe you said this place is to voice my opinion, and I am.

I know you addressed the problems I pointed out with your solutions, but in my opinion they're not going to convince me. That's my opinion. When I say, "I still don't want it" it's not saying everyone doesn't want it. It's MY opinion, so don't tell me to stop posting that I don't want the suggestion. I've responded to your "solutions" but you keep posting the same things that don't really solve what I think is wrong with the suggestion.

Second, I don't know why you bring up being an active donator in this suggestion. Is that to make your suggestion and comments weigh more than mine? That's a really foolish assumption since a donation is not an entitlement to changing the server.

There is no childish behavior going on - just a solid discussion I'm trying to hold between you and the other posters here. All of the comments for the most part in this suggestion relate back to your original suggestion. You post something up, sometimes people agree, and sometimes people disagree. Not everyone is going to like the solutions you come up with - that's how this forum works.

In my eyes, the staff and Genesis (who does the bulk of the work) really has limited time to devote to new additions in terms of new PVP items or contests or quests. So when I disagree, it's because I feel the people who run this server should be focusing on other projects that haven't been completed yet.

And please do point out where I've been rude and unproductive. I gave my reasons and they are valid to why I disagree. I hardly sit in fcity and afk the entire time. I love PVPing so I understand what people use as visual cues to change equipment. The real PVPers are not one equipment set people, and are constantly changing equipment due to the other character. I've been on this server a long time, donate for almost everything new, and am active in a lot of the suggestion threads so I have an idea of what accepted suggestions still haven't been started yet.

So, just so we're clear. You say: "I don't think the staff has enough time for this." I counter with "It doesn't have to be done right now, it could be done any time in the future, that's no reason to knock the idea." and all you can say is "THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME."? You're acting like a child, the point I was making was I actually make an effort to support the server. I don't sit around knocking peoples ideas just because I don't like them either, I try to come to a common understanding. Some people are stubborn and refuse to alter their own ideas, but I have done no such thing. I have come up with all the solutions with nothing but people shoving the word no down my throat. Your opinion isn't wrong, opinions can't be wrong. The reasoning you explained for your opinion is nonsensical. You refuse to explain WHY my solutions won't work for you, which leads me to believe you're just arguing for the sake of arguing/forum drama. If I'm wrong PLEASE correct me because I would love more than anything to understand your train of thought.

[Kittie]

Please quote me where I said "THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME". Thank you.

I believe the reason gave was the fact that adding all those items would take an enormous amount of time - almost unfathomable. I'm not going to do the math for you, but it's 1,000s of item combinations once you add things in.

You countered with "we'll just add items week by week in terms of voting". Even if it's just a select few. I don't know how much experience you have coding new items but from my experience, it's a time consuming job. Also, the forum maintenance in that thread to make sure every player is involved in the voting and then counting all the random headgear votes would cause a lot of work for the forum GMs, and then passing it onto Genesis for the finalized list would be another task for those GMs and add increased delays to other additions since this would be virtually endless, not to mention the workload would keep increasing every time since the first 10 would create maybe 100 new items, but then the next 10 would have to be coded in along with the existing 10, and then the next 10...and so on.

This is not a once accepted, it's done type of suggestion. It's not one minor change to a weapon's attributes, but really a continuing process to the server since new items get added monthly so that would have to be added to the cosmetic NPC eventually. This is why we have to tread carefully since this locks an infinite amount of work and change to the server once implemented.

Additionally, I didn't see a response to the idea of having visual cues in terms of not what headgear the opposing player is wearing in terms of PVP, but the amount of slots that the other player might have on. Whether a player is using a headgear combination that allows for 4 slots or 3 slots in headgear cards matters a lot, strategically speaking, to what another player might counter with in terms of attack or defense strategy.

Edited September 6, 2011 by Kittie

[Veggie&Mac]

I dont really like this suggestion, no just for the edit/work/sprite/scrip/ needed

Every stat and item was created by a reason, if you dont like how it looks just dont get/buy it, it will be super bugged impo.

And it doesnt help, it is just a replacement for sprites!!!

how many time it will looks like the sprite that you want?

that items gonna be untradreables? or what happen if a x guy buy a blue emp for 1K with +15 all stats?

how you can stop the scamm in that cases?

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Dani♥

[Kittie]

I think he said they would prohibit people from changing lower items to sprites of higher items. So you can change a Blue Emp into weaker/lesser value items, like a Dragon Aura, but not a Dragon Aura into an Emperium.

However, it could be possible that an Orange Emp could be changed to a Blue Emp...since they're equal in terms of stat bonuses.

[rasko]

I think he said they would prohibit people from changing lower items to sprites of higher items. So you can change a Blue Emp into weaker/lesser value items, like a Dragon Aura, but not a Dragon Aura into an Emperium.

However, it could be possible that an Orange Emp could be changed to a Blue Emp...since they're equal in terms of stat bonuses.

There would be no point because A. You would need an Orange Emp AND a Blue emp, so you would be losing money and B. Bound items are untradeable. The long list of items is understandable but that is EASILY limited. It doesn't have to be some universal npc that combines EVERYTHING. I wasn't really looking at auras when I had this in mind. It was more of an idea for giving wings decent stats, and maybe auras decent stats. This would be relatively simple because A. Theres no point in combining a pandaring or super expensive ruck for +10 to wings since a leafring will do the same job. This effectively makes it so you only need one item for each wing. Since the npc would only combine leafring rucks, only leafrings would probably have it's own issues though, and might in fact raise the price on leafrings so it might be required to add devilrs/angelrs. I personally have no clue how long making a new item takes, so I'll take your word on that. As for auras, same goes. Why would you combine an orange emp and a blue emp if they both have the same stats? You would effectively be paying 30 tokens for nothing. Same idea applies to emps, only allow the cheapest one/ones to be combined. Then you would need 1 to 3 items for every noob aura: Dragon Aura/Snowflake/Candy/Fallen Ghost etc. If this really became too much of an effort, a coder could volunteer and it could be a donation service. Pay 20$ to combine your items? I mean really, there are so many ways to make this work. People are complaining about hats specifically, when I've only really talked about RS, wings, and auras. I've said multiple times some items of course would be exempt for balance reasons. Making imps/Fhelms exempt wouldn't be a huge issue if you're worried about how many slots they have. In fact upper headgears in general could not be implemented.

Projects like these rarely all happen at once, they take tons of debate, tons of flaming, and alot of cooperation. Then the real work starts.

[Seraphine]

Like i said on Msn , This honestly in my opinion is way to huge of a project for the amount of staff we have availble that can do advanced coding which mostly would only be Genesis possibly Wish

and i don't think it's worth the value the community is getting out of it.

Yes it's not a bad idea but the work compared to the actual usage of the npc makes it not plausible for the Community or Staff.

Maybe add a quest that let's you combine items so it has the primary item's stats but the secondary item's sprite? Not sure how complicated it would be to code it.

That would involve creating tons of new items that are just duplicates of the existing ones with different stats, which honestly I think would be a waste of time and effort. It'd be a lot of work and for something that isn't all that important.

Those quotes were from this topic.

Edited September 6, 2011 by Seraphine

[supream]

hmm i like that ice emp that person has on why not just make my emp like that. how would gms know who has unreleased stuff and who dosent. pvp dosent matter to me kill them no matter what really. this also would make prices of items of different color but same stats worthless.

[Veracity]

Thank you for your suggestion, however, as I said before in a different topic, doing something like this would be impractical. It's a lot of work, a waste of space, and generally unnecessary. Various people have raised legitimate issues this would create as well.

- Rejected -