nines Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Alright after testing out all the weapons again trying new pvp styles looking at the bonuses again and again and trying other styles again and again and testing theory again and again. I can see why people aren't using sinx that much anymore. So I've got quite a few suggestions on how to fix these weapons and to increase there value and also probably help so more people will donate for them and help the server out more. Also going to be putting in suggested changes on Whitesmith Oriental / Alchemist Oriental / Stalker Oriental. ( But mainly focusing on sinx atm) - Suggestion Area - Dexterity Black Oriental Sword. Alright, usually on this server most people where for dex build. But this weapon is a major let down. Lets compare it to the Crit sword which in its name already adds a bunch of crit so if you go crit build you don't need dex to hit people right? So why is it that while using the Dex Sword it does str 10 agi 10 int 30 max sp 20%? If it is indeed a dex sword which usually people use dex for casting speed and for hit why does it add no hit and no dex? Suggested changes for Dex Sword Change the Int + 30 to dex + 30 and make the sword give + 50 hit. Also increase the strength/agi another 10 so its 20. The crit gives 20 str agi 20 luk 30 and 30 crit rate...so the dex's stats should even up also. For every 20 dex add 30 atk. Now onto the crap I don't really care that much about but still needs to be done. Whitesmith Oriental Obviously a lot of chatter on this. Im just gonna go straight to the point. Increase the cart ram damage by 20% and also increase the strength another 10. This will give a 7 - 10k damage bonus. Make them more valuable as a class to pvp instead of just to go and annoy people. Creator Oriental It has level 5 bolts.....this class can get nulled pretty easy. It can get nulled by gtb and pneuma and would basically have nothing else to fall back onto. And even if they don't ad if they rsx the person will run out of bottles before the other guy dies =.=. And lvl 5 bolts really suck all and all. Suggested Changes Give Double Bolt to them so they can spam there bolts a little bit more and there lvl 5 bolts so it wont be op. Also increase hp 5%? lol Stalker Oriental I just got bored with posting so ill just refer to topic. Aarons thread. Edited March 1, 2011 by nines
HerLove Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Alright after testing out all the weapons again trying new pvp styles looking at the bonuses again and again and trying other styles again and again and testing theory again and again. I can see why people aren't using sinx that much anymore. So I've got quite a few suggestions on how to fix these weapons and to increase there value and also probably help so more people will donate for them and help the server out more. Also going to be putting in suggested changes on Whitesmith Oriental / Alchemist Oriental / Stalker Oriental. ( But mainly focusing on sinx atm) - Suggestion Area - Dexterity Black Oriental Sword. Alright, usually on this server most people where for dex build. But this weapon is a major let down. Lets compare it to the Crit sword which in its name already adds a bunch of crit so if you go crit build you don't need dex to hit people right? So why is it that while using the Dex Sword it does str 10 agi 10 int 30 max sp 20%? If it is indeed a dex sword which usually people use dex for casting speed and for hit why does it add no hit and no dex? Suggested changes for Dex Sword Change the Int + 30 to dex + 30 and make the sword give + 50 hit. Also increase the strength/agi another 10 so its 20. The crit gives 20 str agi 20 luk 30 and 30 crit rate...so the dex's stats should even up also. Now onto the crap I don't really care that much about but still needs to be done. Whitesmith Oriental Obviously a lot of chatter on this. Im just gonna go straight to the point. Increase the cart ram damage by 20% and also increase the strength another 10. This will give a 7 - 10k damage bonus. Make them more valuable as a class to pvp instead of just to go and annoy people. Creator Oriental It has level 5 bolts.....this class can get nulled pretty easy. It can get nulled by gtb and pneuma and would basically have nothing else to fall back onto. And even if they don't ad if they rsx the person will run out of bottles before the other guy dies =.=. And lvl 5 bolts really suck all and all. Suggested Changes Give Double Bolt to them so they can spam there bolts a little bit more and there lvl 5 bolts so it wont be op. Also increase hp 5%? lol Stalker Oriental I just got bored with posting so ill just refer to topic. Aarons thread. Dex sword I dont agree that your suggested changes would help. Why? The crit sword has no need for a hit card or dmg modifiers because of its critical nature so that leaves two card slots for simple down right dmg increasing cards. Hence it will be better than dex sword even with the changes you suggested so that is kind of pointless. Changing the dex sword to a dagger class weapon on the other hand might be a good change with the availability of double attack. The ws topic is a very touchy one and one that I have tried to avoid too but I cant say I agree with giving them a damage boost. Right now my ws hits for 29k cts with incant on frigs+ usak and 23k on frigs and sgw combined with the super fast spam and the non existent need for kiel cards to spam I dont think there needs to be any damage increase at all. However stopping cart boost from being dispelable when the sword is equipped would be a huge help to ws. Even with that change the big part of why ws is not played is simply because they have not 1 single ranged attack so if you can outrun them or slow them and hit them from far they have 0 chance at winning. That is the single biggest reason ws class is not played. The change for the creator sword is mediocre at best I dont see how giving them double bolt would solve the issue of them being very much nulled by gtb gr rsx and devis. However giving the sword 30 str instead of 10 and a +50% dmg with mamonite might give them the extra help they need when people decide to null their magic and ad! Have not read aarons thread in detail but that discussion seems to be taking its course! These are my views on the topic. Edited March 1, 2011 by HerLove
Chae Rin Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Personally I love the Sinx class and when the valk weapons were released I thought it would give the class a good boost in its potential. But I was wrong. After only a few hours of playing both swords I realized these weapons not only aren't up to par but they also hinder a Sinx's true potential . Therefore I have always used F. Daggers since realizing this and will always consider them better than the swords unless they are changed. I find this a problem as the valk weapons are supposed to be better versions of their elite counterparts hence their status as donation items. I feel like if at least the Dex sword was made into a dagger-type (but still allow only 1 to be worn) it would surpass its elite counterpart. Double attack is just so valuable in an offensive Sinx build's arsenal. Edit: mentioning the crit sword, the whole idea of bringing to life the critical aspect of a Sinx is great, and the damage of such a build may be staggering at times. Personally I just don't dig crit builds. :p although I admit it is better than the Dex sword in some elements, to me overall it falls just short of being great; a Sinx is supposed to be one of the most versatile classes in the game and limiting it to a critical build without allowing the use of other strategies such as using Ice pick or switching to katar severely puts the crit sword in a bad place in my book. Edited March 1, 2011 by Chae Rin
nines Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Posted March 1, 2011 The dex sword giving 50 hit 30 dex 20 str and agility would be a huge change actually. You wouldn't need a phreeoni to hit people so you can stack more damage and with the +20 agility and aspd + 5 on the weapon you can distribute your stats a little more. Also going to add another suggestion on the dex sword. For every 20 dex add 30 atk. Getting instant cast would only add 150 atk. And I disagree on making the swords a dagger. Them with there current stats and becoming a dagger would go into passive bonuses on the class with using a dagger with 210 atk on the weapon and the stats with double attack it would be the epitome of over powered.
Adamxd Posted March 3, 2011 Report Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) I strongly agree on boosting dex sword which is really cheap, and I think I'm the only sinx using it currently. BUT IMO I woud just change it to dagger. People will use it for emp breaking so price will grow up. Edited March 3, 2011 by Adamxd
HerLove Posted March 3, 2011 Report Posted March 3, 2011 Personally I love the Sinx class and when the valk weapons were released I thought it would give the class a good boost in its potential. But I was wrong. After only a few hours of playing both swords I realized these weapons not only aren't up to par but they also hinder a Sinx's true potential . Therefore I have always used F. Daggers since realizing this and will always consider them better than the swords unless they are changed. I find this a problem as the valk weapons are supposed to be better versions of their elite counterparts hence their status as donation items. I feel like if at least the Dex sword was made into a dagger-type (but still allow only 1 to be worn) it would surpass its elite counterpart. Double attack is just so valuable in an offensive Sinx build's arsenal. Edit: mentioning the crit sword, the whole idea of bringing to life the critical aspect of a Sinx is great, and the damage of such a build may be staggering at times. Personally I just don't dig crit builds. :p although I admit it is better than the Dex sword in some elements, to me overall it falls just short of being great; a Sinx is supposed to be one of the most versatile classes in the game and limiting it to a critical build without allowing the use of other strategies such as using Ice pick or switching to katar severely puts the crit sword in a bad place in my book. I strongly agree on boosting dex sword which is really cheap, and I think I'm the only sinx using it currently. BUT IMO I woud just change it to dagger. People will use it for emp breaking so price will grow up. Change to dagger seems popular.
Chae Rin Posted March 3, 2011 Report Posted March 3, 2011 Just make Sinx OP again . ;) Top tier classes ftw
SlingerzDeluxez Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Yes, I highly agree with the dex sword, though I dont have near enough to buy it, but it seems more rewarding. Also, Im not sure about double bolt for the creator dagger, it will still be nerfed by GTB, so I was thinking maybe give it higher damage to Acid Bomb, or higher chance to break? Not sure. But the others are fine. Edited March 11, 2011 by SlingerzDeluxez
Veracity Posted June 27, 2011 Report Posted June 27, 2011 - Accepted - We will take these into consideration, however, some changes may be made. Thanks for your input!
