Kayleigh Posted January 25, 2011 Report Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) What happened to this command? Is it possible to make it work again or is it intended to be not working? (Couldn't find it in Accepted Suggestions nor in Rejected Suggestions) As in another topic (http://forum.forsaken-ro.net//index.php?showtopic=19143) already said, the command @whodrops is very useful and I'm sure many will agree to getting it back. So how 'bout it? =) Edited January 25, 2011 by Kayleigh
Xtopher Posted January 25, 2011 Report Posted January 25, 2011 Well some items are meant to be slightly more difficult to figure out how to get... such as quest items. Essence of fire, for example, took some people a while to figure out. Ratemyserver is good for everything else though.
Miracle Posted January 25, 2011 Report Posted January 25, 2011 ^ Agree. @whodrops takes some of the mystery out of hunting items for our new quests. Ratemyserver.net can tell you all you need to anyways! :D That's just my opinion on this matter, anyone else have any input?
nines Posted January 25, 2011 Report Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) ^I agree. Im a tool, a tool tool tool. I agree blindly to things people tell me to agree on.\ j/k I'td be nice to have it but as said ruins quest and stuff. Edited January 25, 2011 by nines
helios_eclipse Posted January 25, 2011 Report Posted January 25, 2011 ^ agreed.. as well as the 2 before that.. although, we also need something to find out things that are on rms but is somehow unavailable in fro like cursed hand and diablo's ring (amongst other things that we do not know yet unfortunately..) so, i'm half-and-half on this one.. /heh
Perishable Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 rms d0n't t3ll eberyting touh. dis da cust0m high rat3 s3rv3r. s0m3 cust0m m0nster n0t in rms on fRO.
Kayleigh Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Posted January 26, 2011 We already have many commands like @whereis, @mi and @ii, so how does @whodrops ruin quests? RMS sure can be used and is used a lot, but then I'd say the other commands arent needed either. Plus, I agree with Somdara. This is a custom server. Not sure if all we have is on RMS. Making it all difficult maybe takes away the motivation. After all, this is a private server and not an official 1/1/1 server D:
jorgesilvera Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 That realy piss off when you are doing a quest and then npc say: 600 of [insert Random Item here] and i have to open a new tab or window for ratemy server when i can save ram and proes using @whodrop +1 to this
Xtopher Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Sure it's a high rate server but that doesn't mean everything needs to be given to you. Some things are meant to be challenging and recently finding specific custom quest items is a challenge. Without challenge things get boring. Adding this command eliminates the necessity for us to actually think for ourselves at all. It's not even that challenging sometimes... Example: "Hmmm, this fire npc tells me he doesn't like dragons... I've been collecting other items from dragons.... I wonder where this essence of fire thing comes from..." I don't think asking players to string together basic clues is too much to ask. You even have @mi to confirm any suspicions. Lastly, have you considered that adding this command will devalue your hard earned quest items? As of right now people have to figure out who drops what. If you add the command it makes the quest much easier which in turn makes your item worth less. I for one don't appreciate my items being devalued just because some people are too lazy to use ratemyserver.
Masahiro Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 lol wow, well my take on this is: it takes no effort to open my browser and google the item that i am looking for on rms or Ro emp or w/e but! .@whodrops tells a player if the item they are looking for is active on forsaken Ro item scripts period. this is very helpful e.g if i wanted to find the item "Death Guidance" as a noob i can use this command and it would tell me if it were available or not.. there is zero intrigue towards quest items because as i mentioned above..opening a browser is not hard and if it WERE some sort of Fro custom item, then..wowee we only have so many custom maps and mobs. anyways..some of the comments above amaze me, it were as if people don't realize this command existed before.
Xtopher Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Yes it existed before but people wanted more quests so they were added. Now we are getting nice quests with custom item drops required and people are STILL complaining. From what I can tell the administration is trying to make the server more friendly for new people with things like quests YET at the same time keeping them slightly difficult by not handing you all the information on a silver plater. If you want to know if some abstract iro item is in fro then use ratemyserver to find the drop monsters then @mi ingame to see if they drop it.
Masahiro Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 lol i understand what your saying man, i do. but we've moved on from just questing and general acquisition of items this command is very helpful to all players alike. if you wanted to find an item and you weren't sure whether it was available on fro or not, you would use this command and it would provide a factual answer of whether or not the item exists in our database. an example would be the item i mentioned in my previous posting. if you give me in game that item or Death Loop to me in game (which clearly appear available on RMS etc) then ill rest my case. quests aren't everything. you gotta think about the simple things as well, beside even if this command were reactivated it would be more beneficial to get the proper breakdown from RMs etc anyways. a command such as this 1 has zero to little interference with a quest. a monster dropping an item is a black or white case. however, like someone mentioned earlier with the Moc_fild22 mobs, they are not the same on our server as they would be elsewhere. so the loot drop will not come. here is where a command such as this 1 can save valuable hours.
Perishable Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Well, it's not always about newbies. It has to be between us and them. This is a suggestions topic so most of us are making a suggestion(s). If they do not want this, they can just reject this suggestion. Reason there is accepted / rejected forums. Things like this could really help out. Some newbies can be new to Ragnarok Online and might not know about Ratemyserver. Like me, Forsaken Ragnarok Online is my first server and I learnd alot of stuff about RO playing here. I don't know everything about Ragnarok Online since this is my first server but, you know what I mean? This is where I began my Ragnarok Experience. There are alot more stuff I don't know about RO, so I'm trying to figure out alot more.
HerLove Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Well, it's not always about newbies. It has to be between us and them. This is a suggestions topic so most of us are making a suggestion(s). If they do not want this, they can just reject this suggestion. Reason there is accepted / rejected forums. Things like this could really help out. Some newbies can be new to Ragnarok Online and might not know about Ratemyserver. Like me, Forsaken Ragnarok Online is my first server and I learnd alot of stuff about RO playing here. I don't know everything about Ragnarok Online since this is my first server but, you know what I mean? This is where I began my Ragnarok Experience. There are alot more stuff I don't know about RO, so I'm trying to figure out alot more. I totally agree with somdara on this.You all need to consider not everyone is of age.This game attracts a lot of people and not all of them are experienced at ro nor are they all of a mature age.The server is trying to be more new player friendly and this will help a lot with that.The people who have been around here long would find this demeaning but to the new people who dont have much or know much this is a godsend.I agree that things should be easier considering quests here do not give super great rewards that are unmatched by anything else, except for frigs quest (good luck doing that as an experienced player now or even worse a new player).At the end of the day making things too hard to start off just turns off new players from sticking around.As a new person with no items joining a high rate server no one wants to have to work super hard to start off.I know when I myself first joined here I was looking for a high rate server to not have to spend a ton of time on leveling a character to max level or getting items to play and enjoy ro. +1 to this!
Cirrus Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 my 6 y/o sister will probably learn to use this better than going to rms all the time!!
-R e i Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 my 6 y/o sister will probably learn to use this better than going to rms all the time!!Now that I've realized it would kill the purpose of some quests. And would make things easier, and that would lead to boredom. Just tell your 6 y/o sister to be patient and just go to RMS. :)))
nines Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) Okay. If there custom dropped items. Even if players did have @whodrops they would still ask one of the players sitting in town who drops it. If they ask me I'll usually tell them give them the warp cords etc. Most people will do that since its no effort, and it also adds a friendly tone to the server. So theres a +1. It takes no effort to tell someone you can just go to ratemyserver.net and look up the item you are looking for, or you can do it yourself and tell them. Seriously the amount of argument put into this is like why fat lazy people exist. >> Why not just ask for a spoon that will feed you on its own, and toilet paper that wipes your ass for you. It takes 15 seconds to look it up. Can people seriously stop being so petty. There are servers that give players no commands, and they get around just fine. Yes, I know nines big troll fucking douche bag. We all know the story but try and tell me I am not wrong I will shoot you down in a heartbeat. And Im very pissed off atm and nerd posting so there. Enjoy Edited January 27, 2011 by nines
Kayleigh Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Posted January 27, 2011 What happened to this command? Is it possible to make it work again or is it intended to be not working? (Couldn't find it in Accepted Suggestions nor in Rejected Suggestions) My main point to this was, as already said before: Was it supposed to be gone at all? Many commands didnt work anymore after an update, and time after time more and more were made possible again. So this is simply a question if @whodrops will be back too. Anyhow, thanks for your input. If you dont want it back, then okay. As you all pointed out, its easy going on RMS. On the other hand, its just as easy as typing out a command, so I dont see the big problem in this. But its not worth starting a fuss :tongue: Seeing as this is not one of the most important suggestions.
Masahiro Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) Seriously the amount of argument put into this is like why fat lazy people exist. >> lol@your-mini-rants and as mentioned in the post above. why is this even up for debate? this command WAS here before and @the comment about how some servers do not have commands at all. yeah! great for those servers, so while we have the usage of commands, then that point is null and void its a major annoyance for me when people always talk about your haves and others have-nots in relation to a justification of why YOU should have not. if you were such a believer of that, then go donate all your items to some noob who just joined the server who "Has-not" and then you'll be satisfied in your argument no? until then, this and other threads are simple things that go a long way. i don't see the big problem in this either, or why it hasn't been accepted yet. Edited January 27, 2011 by Masahiro
Cirrus Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Now that I've realized it would kill the purpose of some quests. And would make things easier, and that would lead to boredom. Just tell your 6 y/o sister to be patient and just go to RMS. :))) ya i actually just tell her to stop hunting. ^_^ on the suggestion, nines brought up a good point about spoon feeding. that is 100% true and a lot of times people ask about what they don't want to do but can be done anyway, rather than can't do. this server has spoon fed a lot of players who can't help themselves already. i mean people there's also the part that you have to do, right?
Masahiro Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) ya i actually just tell her to stop hunting. ^_^ on the suggestion, nines brought up a good point about spoon feeding. that is 100% true and a lot of times people ask about what they don't want to do but can be done anyway, rather than can't do. this server has spoon fed a lot of players who can't help themselves already. i mean people there's also the part that you have to do, right? loll thats true but not all players have the means to just know.. some people may Genuinely not know, thats why u cant just assume, you gotta have patience when dealing with everyone so if 99 people come to you for advice and u tell 98 and 1/4 of them to go to RMS or use the command then that's just it. i wont consider anything like this spoonfeeding.. beside on this server, ANYTHING you have to get is through hard work. we're all just people who happened to have been working hard long enough that it doesn't seem that way anymore. so why should this little break be denied from those who it could help. (not to mention my point about being able to discern the items that are available to us or locked off etc etc) Edited January 27, 2011 by Masahiro
nines Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Mario. If we have usage of commands, then why are we asking for a command. They have usage of commands at there disposal also >> It's just not given. Like this. And on your what people have and don't have alright Atm we don't have @whodrops we haven't had it for like a year and we've been dealing with it. People have joined and now with the new adaptions to more noob friendly even more are staying. Not having seen any of them complain about commands. What we have is not the command but a site and no problems with it. What we don't have is people who are willing to go the extra mile. ( I E even when the Frigg Quest guide was put out infront of people, they didn't want to do the quest >> ) When I did have @whodrops it was easy as shit to find shit. Now that we don't have it and the friggs quest was installed me and Juan were working on the quest together. And when we actually who found or dropped an item it was a moment of joy where were like YES I FOUND IT. If you just @command there is no joy in any part of anything if its to simple. Please can this just get denyed already =.=
Kayleigh Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Posted January 27, 2011 When I did have @whodrops it was easy as shit to find shit. Now that we don't have it and the friggs quest was installed me and Juan were working on the quest together. And when we actually who found or dropped an item it was a moment of joy where were like YES I FOUND IT. If you just @command there is no joy in any part of anything if its to simple. Please can this just get denyed already =.= No one forces you to type in the command lol you can just not do it if its so much joy. I still dont understand the whole fuss about this. If its implemented, whoever needs it can use it, the others can go find the items in their happy ways. Why be so negative about it anyways? It doesnt influence the gameplay in a drastic way. This is a tiny thing that could be used again, just like the 765465 commands we have, no?
L2Aim Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Calm down guys, we now know your opinions about this subject, let's wait for the view & opinion of the higher ups.
