nines Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Obviously don't know much about true nd pvpers if ur saying it would be easier. >> Most of the pros would probably fail ass hard in nd.
Centurion Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 Pros > Newbs. I mean if this gonna be implemented "Pros" gonna go after it and the newbs people who really need it won't get any chance of winning. Doesnt matter if it dont give same stats/stuff as donation pvp. They just gonna go for it. Since most of "pros" are greedy. Sounds good but this way people won't come to the server since "pros" taking over.
Annie ♥ Posted February 4, 2011 Author Report Posted February 4, 2011 Pro's will always prefer normal ladder, because the items there are better. And chris, 3000 tokens, is about 250 dollars, so sacred teal wings(just an example) would be 250 dollars, I know tokens are easier to get then that, but if you think about it... >_>
Kusanagi Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 I think the global flags won't be able to be executed twice, the onPCDieEvent is used and that trigger can't be duplicated. But will look into it at least. you could make the onPCDieEvent register a variable instead of directly counting the kill to the ladder event... however since its using variables it could need another sort of trigger to update... maybe just making the onPCDieEvent update it could work tho, oh anyway its actually a hassle to code... As for newbies fighting... well its hard to think about it, I myself used to live in the non donation pvp room and the few newbies that used to go there: try to learn how to fight, and I ended up beating up the "pros" going there to kill them :S... well lets just say people are not friendly enough to let newbies learn. Is there any Non donation pro still alive?
Kusanagi Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 I just took a look into the ladder code and well it seems the global flags have nothing to do, after all they are always executed, so long as you restrict the map theres no problem, however you would need to change most if not all the variables used to count the kills. I dont know if you use the same script though... the main triggers used on mine are PCKillevent and PCloginevent, other than that its just global variables and Char related variables. Mmmm well If I had any hope for this to be implemented I would do the script lol, but the odds are dead I guess.
Kusanagi Posted February 7, 2011 Report Posted February 7, 2011 Ill give you a little insight... to do that and make sure it works you would need a few days pouring your heart into it... if things that would take 1 hour to do takes 2 months to be considered how long would this take? Answering your question: nothing is Imposible in the world of Programing :)
HealHard Posted February 7, 2011 Report Posted February 7, 2011 ND ladder sounds fun but i see it a little bit other way. FRO is item based and that means that players got only one main goal here: getting better stuff to own. If you take this goal away with allowing to ND-ladder i dont see any future donations to server, as you will be fine making tokens in ND-ladder with [minimum gears + low ping + huge gang] formula. New players never going to win that one. And also we have ND-pvp room where kills count for ladder. What happens there? Feeding or nothing at all recently. Same shit gonna happen to ND-ladder. Moreover, as it was said if wing reward will be doubled each week SGWs and RAWs gonna loose their shine in eyes of players who dont have it. Everyone gonna have them and thats BAD. Cus once again, FRO is item - based. Some items MUST be difficult to get. That what makes server so addictive (and brings donors also). Speaking if you want to do this for newcomers... tell me one thing: where the heck they gonna get enough yggs to ladder for the whole week with pros using ND-gears? When i was noob all i wanted was fset with cards. then emp. then sacred golden wing.... While growing from noob to pro you actually Learn. You learn the rules of this little world, you learn to pvp, you get frends and enemies. This is sort of alter-life lol. And when you say "lets give noobs a chance to skip the best days of their life on this server" i say NO, cus selling one PVP wing will give you full gears for one class! And its the most freaking interesting part. Improving yourself, getting DQs to get your own stuff, trying to prove you worth smth to pros... And then, you can ladder. Cus thers nothing much left to do after that. Instead, lets just fix our normal ladder. As it was suggested by me somewhere else, restrict parties in PVP room. and it gonna be fine.
zac Posted February 7, 2011 Report Posted February 7, 2011 Pro's will always prefer normal ladder, because the items there are better. And chris, 3000 tokens, is about 250 dollars, so sacred teal wings(just an example) would be 250 dollars, I know tokens are easier to get then that, but if you think about it... >_> its 215.
Kusanagi Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 ND ladder sounds fun but i see it a little bit other way. FRO is item based and that means that players got only one main goal here: getting better stuff to own. If you take this goal away with allowing to ND-ladder i dont see any future donations to server, as you will be fine making tokens in ND-ladder with [minimum gears + low ping + huge gang] formula. New players never going to win that one. And also we have ND-pvp room where kills count for ladder. What happens there? Feeding or nothing at all recently. Same shit gonna happen to ND-ladder. Moreover, as it was said if wing reward will be doubled each week SGWs and RAWs gonna loose their shine in eyes of players who dont have it. Everyone gonna have them and thats BAD. Cus once again, FRO is item - based. Some items MUST be difficult to get. That what makes server so addictive (and brings donors also). Speaking if you want to do this for newcomers... tell me one thing: where the heck they gonna get enough yggs to ladder for the whole week with pros using ND-gears? When i was noob all i wanted was fset with cards. then emp. then sacred golden wing.... While growing from noob to pro you actually Learn. You learn the rules of this little world, you learn to pvp, you get frends and enemies. This is sort of alter-life lol. And when you say "lets give noobs a chance to skip the best days of their life on this server" i say NO, cus selling one PVP wing will give you full gears for one class! And its the most freaking interesting part. Improving yourself, getting DQs to get your own stuff, trying to prove you worth smth to pros... And then, you can ladder. Cus thers nothing much left to do after that. Instead, lets just fix our normal ladder. As it was suggested by me somewhere else, restrict parties in PVP room. and it gonna be fine. You are my hero xD, now thats something I wanted to hear from anybody!
Veracity Posted March 3, 2011 Report Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) We will do a non-donation ladder if it is indeed possible/practical for us to do. IT WILL NOT HAVE THE SAME PRIZES AS THE REGULAR LADDER. We'll come up with completely new prizes designed to help NEW/LESS-GEARED/UNABLE TO DONATE players out and give them something to work for. - Accepted - Edited March 3, 2011 by Veracity
