Questions To The Judges

[Wish]

Seriously, I know that you're pissed off because you can't judge and play in your own event, but really?

It takes like 5 seconds to change someone's group. We'd have to get it okay'd by Genesis, though. Also, we can always assign some GMs to judge each week so that you'll have plenty either way. We don't have to have the whole GM team judge each time. That's entirely up to you, if you'd rather use them largely for guest judges or as regular judges.

[» Pat]

Nope, I'm not. The GM team sounds good imo. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to give 'normal members' mod powers. Another option would be creating a new Member Group 'Guest Judge' with no moderating powers. Idk it's up to you.

[Ethereal]

So is everyone fine with GM's being guest judges?

[Devotion]

Pat, if your guest judges are GM's you don't need to change their titles. Just announce them in the respective SOTW and be done with it.

[Ethereal]

So I think everyone should be fine with GM's being guest judges instead of regular judges, but how many should we have each week? 1-3?

Also, I believe I suggested a lot of themes before. What should be our first official theme for the SOTW of this year?

Nevermind, I'll be making a new topic to decide our themes.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Ethereal

[Terroryst]

I still don't see what one person joining their own event changes when it comes to GMs and events. One person totally changes the tides in LMS, LTS, and Dice huh...

[Wish]

We have told the GMs that participating in your own events is not allowed unless it is GvG. We will be enforcing this.

That, and, as Devotion said, we do not JUDGE our events. The winner is determined by skill or by luck, unless cheating is involved, in which case that GM is fired.

[Terroryst]

That, and, as Devotion said, we do not JUDGE our events. The winner is determined by skill or by luck, unless cheating is involved, in which case that GM is fired.

... Exactly. GMs don't judge events, therefore you higher ups can't change the outcome of an event. Thus I don't see a GM's legit participating in their own event a problem. It also could be a risk factor to a player trying to conceal their GM identity. Player A logs off/goes AFK and GM A logs on and begins hosting an event.

[Wish]

Ok...now I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing/discussing about. Sorry, I responded to this on very little sleep lol. If you're saying GMs should be able to participate because they don't necessarily affect the outcome, it's a matter of avoiding accusations of cheating. Oh, GM x was hosting this event and their legit won. CHEAT. That kind of thing. It's an undeniable fact that legit names get leaked. Happens quickly, too, so I wouldn't be surprised if people knew who most/all of the new GMs are. I know that my legit has been known for a LONG time now, thanks to a few other GMs.

[Devotion]

Also, there is a certain professional distance that should be maintained. If a GM participates in his own LMS, I'm sorry to say that when tempers flare he may lose his objectivity; for example he may claim someone was running and dc them, when in fact that's not valid..

Even if a GM is completely secret (which none are), if you win your own event it's like saying: /nb Hi I hosted this for the community but I won instead, yoink on the event coupons! Same principal for SOTW.

So for guest judges, I'd say it depends on how you plan to vote. Will you each cast a vote or will you openly discuss and decide on the winner? If it's the later, you don't need guest judges unless one or more of you decide to participate that week.

[» Pat]

openly discuss and decide on the winner

Seems best, imo.

[Devotion]

Well in that case you technically only need three people, and the five of you right now is ideal.

[Terroryst]

Buffs definitely help you win in Dice, right?

[Devotion]

^No...

Full strip > hit > no buffs will help you

[Terroryst]

As far as I know, GMs don't even have the capability to use lvl 100 skills and whatnot. So they'd get dispelled when they enter the LMS arena. Even if a GM buffs their character, and then opens LMS, they would still lose their FCP and most buffs due to the waiting time. They would have to go through A LOT more trouble to buff their character for LMS.

[» Pat]

What the hell are you even talking about. Seriously. How is that relevant to anything in this thread...

[Wish]

I'm lost, too...Buffs don't help you win in Dice, but what does that have to do with LMS?

If a GM wanted to buff themselves in LMS just before it started, it'd be easy, actually...

[Terroryst]

You guys are replying to stuff you don't even know then? The GMs came in and suggested/told us how we should do our things, so I'm doing the same to them. You tell me how it's relevant to anything in the thread, seeing as there were posts about it in this thread.

[Devotion]

So this is a butthurt parade? Give me a break, please.

[Wish]

Really, it looks like you're arguing that GMs should be able to participate in their own events. What you're saying, though, really isn't making sense. However, if that IS what you're saying, it's not going to happen. We will be enforcing the rule of not participating. If you want to use it so that you can compare this to GMing, remember that YOU are the one who said to stop that. Even though, like I said, you were the first ones to start with that.

Plus, it's different. It is the GMs' JOB to moderate things that go on with/related to the server. Yes, this is your event, and we respect that, however we are saying that no, you may not participate because of probable reprocussions.

[Terroryst]

I want my title removed.

[Wish]

Or, of course, you could always explain what you're trying to say, so that we actually get it and aren't taking shots in the dark. We're not trying to get you to quit, and we're not trying to piss you off. I'm just totally confused about what you're saying.

[Ethereal]

Jay, if you want to leave, then by all means, feel free to. I understand how you feel, and I feel the same way. But regardless of how much I want to participate in the event, we still have to abide by the rules and what Devotion & Wish said. I fully understand that you want to leave your position because you want to be able to participate in the event. I have no right to stop you after all.

But regardless, judges are not able to participate. We'll see how the event goes (maybe for a few weeks) and then we'll see if changes are necessary.

[Wish]

You can participate, just have a GM step in...

[Ethereal]

Well, what if you'd want to participate in the event every week? In a way, it's like you're not being a judge at all if you're going to have a GM step in all the time.