orthikuss Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 str belt <--STR--> STR CORE: atk +250-400 agi belt <--AGI--> AGI CORE: flee +80-100 vit belt <--VIT--> VIT CORE: max hp +6-10% (need opinion from expert pally) int belt <--INT--> INT CORE: matk +10-15% or max sp +40% (need expert wizzy) dex belt <--DEX--> DEX CORE: hit +80-100 luk belt <--LUK--> LUK CORE: PD +8-10 (need opinion from "insert name" ~JK) requirement: (if questable) STR CORE: 1 nd-str belt 300/? andre card 300/? zipper bear card 300/? metal fragment 300/? cogwheel 300/? used iron plate 300/? solid iron piece 3 wrench AGI CORE: 1 nd-agi belt 300/? condor card 300/? whisper card 300/? metal fragment 300/? cogwheel 300/? used iron plate 300/? solid iron piece 3 wrench VIT CORE: 1 nd-vit belt 300/? andre egg card 300/? peco-peco card 300/? metal fragment 300/? cogwheel 300/? used iron plate 300/? solid iron piece 3 wrench INT CORE: 1 nd-int belt 300/? agav/carat/evil nymph card 300/? sohee card 300/? metal fragment 300/? cogwheel 300/? used iron plate 300/? solid iron piece 3 wrench DEX CORE: 1 nd-dex belt 300/? drops card 300/? mummy card 300/? metal fragment 300/? cogwheel 300/? used iron plate 300/? solid iron piece 3 wrench LUK CORE: 1 nd-luk belt 300/? poring card 300/? yoyo/lunatic card 300/? metal fragment 300/? cogwheel 300/? used iron plate 300/? solid iron piece 3 wrench
Groxy Drank Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 Im kind of messed up right now so i would like to know what does a core is and give some explanation about what your suggestion cuz i dont understand what is it. Like i said im messed up (just came from a party) maybe if i read it tomorrow ill understand it better.
Groxy Drank Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 Hm. well so hm still messed up but what about the belts?
Devotion Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 It's like a vesper core, only Forsaken (named for our server). The items listed below each core is what would be needed to quest them. Not too sure about the stats.
orthikuss Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Posted July 6, 2009 It's like a vesper core, only Forsaken (named for our server). The items listed below each core is what would be needed to quest them. Not too sure about the stats. yeah, forsaken core!! kernel (core) of strength is attack kernel (core) of agility is flee (1st) and aspd (fro player more interest flee than aspd i guess) kernel (core) of dexterity is hit so, not pure stats. this is core (kernel of stats). melee class can use forsaken dex core (only) for hit, no add dex status or atk (every 5 dex, add 1 atk) because this is core. high agi class use agi core (only) for flee (no add aspd). agi belt: agi +40, mean increase aspd and flee +40. luk belt: luk +40; critical +12++, PD +4, atk +8. int belt: int +40; increase matk, max sp, sp recovery (in this case, creator more like int stats than matk, but wizzy like matk so bad).
Maiku Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 What LOL. I think it's extra on the belts? added on top or does it change completely.
Devotion Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 One of the items needed to make a certain type of forsaken core is a non-donation belt (among other items).
helios_eclipse Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 I dont think it is necessary to include a non donation belt in it. With its own quest, its just too much. STR CORE: 1 nd-str belt 300/? andre card 300/? zipper bear card 300/? metal fragment 300/? cogwheel 300/? used iron plate 300/? solid iron piece 3 wrench 1 nd-str belt = 1000 bloody runes,700 red blood,200 sweet milk,100 honey If you wanna throw in a nd belt in it, why not just put the quest items for the belt itself instead of making the person go back and forth for it. Even so, if it requires the nd belts items, it would be a lot. Remove some or reduce the amounts. Other than that, it's all good. Stas-wise, ask the better ones. :blush:
Terroryst Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 str belt <--STR--> STR CORE: atk +250-400 agi belt <--AGI--> AGI CORE: flee +80-100 400 more atk on a sinx? That means I can have 280k HP and still have 2.6k atk. That's enough to do well over 32k per hit. 100 Flee on a sinx? Slap two of those on and get 600 base flee and you'll have 800 flee. That means only snipers and people with 4 phrees can hit you.
Krystell Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 str belts already give arround 400 atack when in high str, it would just make a fixed value
helios_eclipse Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 luk belt <--LUK--> LUK CORE: PD +8-10 trust me, you don't want this +20 instead of the +10 with 2 yoyos, PD players will kick the crap outta ya with more stats to spend on the others. >:D
Terroryst Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 str belts already give arround 400 atack when in high str, it would just make a fixed value They give 400 combined. This is 400 each.
Groxy Drank Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 Its a good idea but i think its a way to overpower some classes like sinx or PD builds users so like Helios_eclipse said "PD will kick the crap outta ya"
helios_eclipse Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 the suggestion is sound but the stats increment is just a bit imbalanced or, way too imbalanced...
orthikuss Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Posted July 7, 2009 the suggestion is sound but the stats increment is just a bit imbalanced or, way too imbalanced... need suggestion for this core pls. (lets make this balance!) I dont think it is necessary to include a non donation belt in it. With its own quest, its just too much. 1 nd-str belt = 1000 bloody runes,700 red blood,200 sweet milk,100 honey If you wanna throw in a nd belt in it, why not just put the quest items for the belt itself instead of making the person go back and forth for it. Even so, if it requires the nd belts items, it would be a lot. Remove some or reduce the amounts. Other than that, it's all good. Stas-wise, ask the better ones. :blush: nd belt quest is pretty simple and easy quest, bloody rune (agav, isilla and friends drops 2) honey, red blood and others is easy too >,< the hardest requirement items maybe sweet milk, but they just 200. 400 more atk on a sinx? That means I can have 280k HP and still have 2.6k atk. That's enough to do well over 32k per hit. 100 Flee on a sinx? Slap two of those on and get 600 base flee and you'll have 800 flee. That means only snipers and people with 4 phrees can hit you. +attack between 250-400 (just estimate) bro. i need others suggestion, maybe 250? 300? 350? fyi: u can have 2.6k atk (or more) with str belt too. +flee between 80-100 (just estimate) bro. u have flee 600 (with some equips) to mean u spend 300 stat on your agi. trust me, you don't want this +20 instead of the +10 with 2 yoyos, PD players will kick the crap outta ya with more stats to spend on the others. >:D +PD between 8-10 (just estimate) bro. give your suggestion about this, 7? 8? 9? or ??. yoyo card still the best acc in PD build, if this core rejected. str belts already give arround 400 atack when in high str, it would just make a fixed value /ok if too overpower, maybe each belt have reducing aspd or something? as howard card? GM shield i need your suggestion about this core!!
Terroryst Posted July 7, 2009 Report Posted July 7, 2009 +attack between 250-400 (just estimate) bro. i need others suggestion, maybe 250? 300? 350? fyi: u can have 2.6k atk (or more) with str belt too. +flee between 80-100 (just estimate) bro. u have flee 600 (with some equips) to mean u spend 300 stat on your agi. They still give way more than belts do. Especially the flee cores.
orthikuss Posted July 8, 2009 Author Report Posted July 8, 2009 They still give way more than belts do. Especially the flee cores. ok, for fro agi core: add flee 60-75 any suggestion?
Terroryst Posted July 8, 2009 Report Posted July 8, 2009 The weight limit's gonna have to be pretty freakin' heavy too. Counting on how ND Str belt is 800, this is gonna have to be 800-1000.
helios_eclipse Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 int belt <--INT--> INT CORE: matk +10-15% or max sp +40% (need expert wizzy) +40% is a lot..maybe i could use 2 fbhs with 2 of these on my champ,lol! okay,for the luk core, i can suggest a little,but do correct me if i get anything wrong. nd luk belt gives an additional 2 pd and yoyo adds 5 pd. every 10 luk increases your pd by 2,so,i would rather suggest somewhere between 6-8. (to get a high pd rate, your luk needs to be high too,without some other stuffs,you might need to go to 250+ just to get full dodge, so reducing 10 stats on luk saves you quite a good amount of status points to put on another one. +6 would be good,though some people may complain so +7(saves you from /luk+ 20) would do just fine. +8, well, nothing to say on this, go figure..LOL)
Devotion Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 Just remember that whatever stats these things would have can't be better than donation belts and have to be better than non-donation belts, but not too much more.
orthikuss Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Posted July 9, 2009 +40% is a lot..maybe i could use 2 fbhs with 2 of these on my champ,lol! thats my point - champ with 2 FBH! LOL, but devo says, "have to be better than non-donation belts, but not too much more." i have no idea about int core ... okay,for the luk core, i can suggest a little,but do correct me if i get anything wrong. nd luk belt gives an additional 2 pd and yoyo adds 5 pd. every 10 luk increases your pd by 2,so,i would rather suggest somewhere between 6-8. (to get a high pd rate, your luk needs to be high too,without some other stuffs,you might need to go to 250+ just to get full dodge, so reducing 10 stats on luk saves you quite a good amount of status points to put on another one. +6 would be good,though some people may complain so +7(saves you from /luk+ 20) would do just fine. +8, well, nothing to say on this, go figure..LOL) nice! update, fro str core: +att 300-350 fro agi core: +flee 60-75 fro vit core: +max hp 6-10% (no change) fro int core: +max sp 30% or matk 10-15% (no change) fro dex core: +hit 65-80 fro luk core: +PD 7
Terroryst Posted July 12, 2009 Report Posted July 12, 2009 update,fro str core: +att 300-350 Str belts add only about 200 atk each. Agi belts only add 40 flee each.
Sensation Posted July 12, 2009 Report Posted July 12, 2009 Try looking at the vesper cores. These stats are far beyond that and also have too much items. Imitate the vesper cores, but make it an upgrade from is used there, yet don't make it be tons better than the current 'donation' belts. These raw stats are things we have plenty off, a nice change in itemization is very welcome and could make a huge difference, yet not twisting the balance the other way. The quest idea itself is a nice one, people should work for their gears if they want something special like that. Rework the stats on the cores and perhaps reduce the amount of cores, what is shown now isn't much more than replacing a raw stat by it's (much better in this case) substat, it should be nearly equal.
