Jae Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 *Uh you know how killing someone "naked" in PvP is considered "cheating" in a sense? *I don't think it should be, since after all PvP was created for the sole purpose to actually FIGHT others. *So when another person PURPOSELY creates a character just to "SPY" on another. *Because he wants to PURPOSELY get someone banned. *It should be considered "illegal" to that person and via not a reason to actually ban a participant from the ladder. *So when a person is just mad because he can't win, he'll make a character on the side something no one knows. *Runs into PvP and screen shots it because he can't win? *That's unfair, biased, and judgemental in honest. *I can understand when it's a friend vs a friend it might seem like cheating. *But if it's another participant vs another. *It shouldn't be considered "cheating" at all. Something I talked to Genesis about but if anyone is in contact with Shield, and or Tidus. Please refer them to this thread. Aka right now a friend that I know of (Ascendant) is trying to ladder. But if someone who dislikes him is just PURPOSELY (<-- IMPORTANT PART RIGHT THERE) it shouldn't be counted as cheating. What is PvP made for? It's made for the sole purpose of killing. We're just lucky to have a prize at the end. So I say that the GM's re-think they're steps about this rule. I've thought about this thoroughly for a long time now I see no invalid points in my suggestion. What do you think?
Millenia Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 okay ive discussed this with 2 admins already lets just be quite clear, the current rules are bullshit. proving cheating by screens? how the fuck do you do that unless the person says 'SUP DAWG IMA KILL U AND U DONT FIGHT BACK K?'. i hate to say this but i dont think the current gm in charge of pvp ladder is being fair. we need someone else to help out, and new strict rules which are CLEAR.
Jae Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Posted June 30, 2009 I don't PvP ladder but I just saw this as a thing I should have brought up.
Kittie Posted June 30, 2009 Report Posted June 30, 2009 I don't PVP ladder either, but I can see some validity in the suggestion. I'm not too aware of what's going on with banning and so forth, but since it started up until now there's always been a clear record of players 'cheating' or using 'unfair methods' of getting into the Hall of Fame to get the prize. Perhaps one of the reasons for the unethical gameplay (feeding kills) is because of the prize for getting the top position at the end of the week. These items are not just cosmetic but have some pretty good benefits (the Sacred Wings decrease demi-human damage by 10%). Not only that, but they can be sold for a lot of coupons. How much are those Sacred Wings going for nowadays? Make the items untradeable/untransferrable and keep rolling out new items every so often. I swear those Sacred Wings have been a prize for a long time now, and now they're still there, but in recolors. Or heck, make the prize something that isn't so exclusive - like Berry tickets. WHO DOESN'T NEED BERRIES?! It would def reduce the problems around it since everyone wouldn't want it as much, but they would still have an incentive to PVP.
Millenia Posted June 30, 2009 Report Posted June 30, 2009 we also have the new royal angel wings as a prize. because of these new releases and people started laddering again the gms seem to have gone on a banning spree. >_> nice way to make people not want to ladder.
Shield Posted June 30, 2009 Report Posted June 30, 2009 Killing naked people shouldn't be against the rules. Killing naked people 20, 30, 50, 100 or 337 times however is very suspicious, unfair and considered 'feeding' which is grounds for banishment from the PvP ladder but not the game. Now, if someone reported to me or if I noticed a ticket that was claiming someone is cheating but the SS's came from the person that was feeding them then I would have a good laugh and disregard the claim. [GM]Tidus is in charge of the PvP ladder but banning people is still a group affair which is always discussed and supported by screenshots or video evidence. If anyone has reason to believe they were wrongly banned from the PvP ladder then they should 'fight back' by making a ticket or attempting to reach a GM but try to remain calm and not run off and harass the GM they suspect of implicating them. I think making the items 'bound to the account' is a perfect suggestion and a great start. The only problem is eventually someone WILL complain. Aside from that, I think this would make the PvP population increase. An increase would also help prevent people from 'feeding' as there would be more people competing and therefore less opportunity to cheat. my msn is my profile
Jae Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Posted June 30, 2009 So I can't tell if you're for this or against this. It's simple to see someone cheating by feeding a person over 50-100 kills if it's the same character. If people don't have common sense like that then it's simple. We're all born with brains to comprehend from what is RIGHT & WRONG. Simply put if you see a person laddering off the same person on a consistent basis you just need to know it's common sense to know that person IS CHEATING. So anyway Shield, ahem, if you can say if you're for or against my idea that maybe people who are actually purposely trying to get others banned <-- Should be an offense in it self.
Shield Posted June 30, 2009 Report Posted June 30, 2009 Anyone caught trying to 'frame' another player will be punished. The rule will be added but the punishments will be on a case to case basis just in case someone of lesser intelligence makes a report. ~Accepted~
