Pheone Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 freeze isn't a skill, nor is breaking an equipment a skill. you CAN break equipment and freeze through a skill, but in this manner, it's just a card. there's no card that keeps you in a permanent hide or cloak or under a permanent sight. you can counter ws better than you can counter strip. quit being lazy. If they're the same, wheres my equip breaking arrows? theres arrows for all the different status's. I suggested the use of a skill as a means to a compromise. because theres other cards that allow you the use of a lvl 1 skill fit into an accessory. it solves the percentage issues to a degree. as well as a downside, you have to take the time to stop and use the skill every, what 15-20 secounds. to keep it active. just like you have to keep sight turned on. I'm not so lazy as to let my buffs just turn off. i doubt anyone is. is there any card thats meant to keep you in permanent anything? are you meant to break equips at the rate you can now? theres nothing thats meant to be permanent. Honestly i think the fact that you refer to the card as permanant, means it should be changed.
Rusty Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 i think it should be because i hate going into pvp arena and then some one attacks me real quick while cloacking then breaks my wep and armor then i have to go too @go 0 and then repair and then i try to go back and same thing happens. most ANNOYING THING EVER
Amitsu Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 umm 1. why am i reading this 2. Evasive, your5 arguing about freeze now? excuse me but forsaken king set makes you IMMUNE TO FREEZE. does the set have immune to coma stun curse stone curse or any other status effect? no does it have indestructibility? no is it immune to strip? no if you want to be immune then you need the cards or the buffs obviously there are cards that make your armor indestructible but its only for the item that its on. excluding golem card or valk rand protecting both weapons. you shouldn't be talking about any other status affect, because ws card isn't a status effect. WS at 1% 10 Hits = 10% Chance to Break (This takes less than 1 second) 100 hits = 100% Chance to Break (This takes less than 3-4 seconds) NERF IT!!! WHO CARES... Things will still break. Whether or not it needs to be nerfed. With the way we attack at 195 Attack Speed. Even a .01% chance from the Lord of Death Card coma comes as fast as 5-10 seconds. and Evasive, your stupid arguments are stupid and stupid arguments are stupid
Hrist Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Like I said hardly someone can kill me on a one on one fight, If you want a duel go ahead kill feed me >:D My LK Tierra Choque pounded your Whitesmith to dust last time I checked. Score was 4-1, 1 being your lucky resort to coma. I didn't even use WS/Strip/Coma on you and you dropped like a leaf under 3 minutes as promised. Hardly? Oh please. If I didn't stop, I'd be laddering by now ;)
Devotion Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Devotion its the shield that needs to be broken XP not the armor ^.~- Well if the % can't be lower add a penalty - That would make it a bit harder, or a bit of a decision even WS has a chance to break their armor. Oh I know you have to strip the shield, but I've seen lots of pdodge profs, and if they can break their opponent's weapon and armor, it would make it a lot easier for them to live and then kill. And since Tick mentioned it, modifying certain classes would have priority over something like this. i think it should be because i hate going into pvp arena and then some one attacks me real quick while cloacking then breaks my wep and armor then i have to go too @go 0 and then repair and then i try to go back and same thing happens. most ANNOYING THING EVER Well...welcome to the highrates. You can't evade stuff like that on this kind of server. I can check who's been cheating the vote, but if Genesis really considered nerfing something as huge as WS, he'd make an official pole, like he did with GTB.
Evasive Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Well I personally can't change your mind, So I don't know what that has to do with anything, and I have proved you wrong plenty of times either that or I just ignored the argument you proposed because it was simply off subject. Oh and I stopped reading any of your big posts awhile back. So yes that would be why ^^ More face :D <(^.^<)(>^.^)> you haven't proven me wrong. fcp and unbreakable equipment still counters whitesmith card so there still is no reason to nerf the card as it is. amitsu, i'm using freeze as an example in my argument since it's achieved through a card, where the only ways to activate the freeze is by 1) removing equipment from an enemy with donation, strip being more effective ; 2) catching an unprepared enemy off-guard ; 3) striking the enemy if you haven't noticed whitesmith's equipment breaking is only activated by 1) waiting out the enemy fcp (IF THEY DO NOT HAVE UNBREAKABLE EQUIPMENT) ; 2) striking the enemy. both cards cannot function against an enemy prepared for battle, if you have your equipment, then it's your fault for not being prepared with fcp / unbreakables, same as to how if you freeze in battle, it's because you're not prepared with anti-freeze equipment. i cannot find what's so difficult with fcping yourself or carrying unbreakable equipment. it's you who's failing, the card isn't being abused.
*Kevin* Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Great Devotion . Even though reading whines / flames from QQers about WS is nice from time to time . Btw if you think WS is so op , duel me using it , i wont use it , and lets see who wins , and not only me but everyone who , like me , finds this topic ridicolous .
Pheone Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 you haven't proven me wrong. fcp and unbreakable equipment still counters whitesmith card so there still is no reason to nerf the card as it is. amitsu, i'm using freeze as an example in my argument since it's achieved through a card, where the only ways to activate the freeze is by 1) removing equipment from an enemy with donation, strip being more effective ; 2) catching an unprepared enemy off-guard ; 3) striking the enemy if you haven't noticed whitesmith's equipment breaking is only activated by 1) waiting out the enemy fcp (IF THEY DO NOT HAVE UNBREAKABLE EQUIPMENT) ; 2) striking the enemy. both cards cannot function against an enemy prepared for battle, if you have your equipment, then it's your fault for not being prepared with fcp / unbreakables, same as to how if you freeze in battle, it's because you're not prepared with anti-freeze equipment. i cannot find what's so difficult with fcping yourself or carrying unbreakable equipment. it's you who's failing, the card isn't being abused. but freeze isn't a reasonable exsample. and yea, if you wanna take advantage of people out in a field somewhere who are expecting to fight monsters, not people. then fine their not prepared. And if i had the chance to wait out the enemy in the pvp room, im sure i would. I do carry unbreakables , I do come in prepared to fight an enemy i can't see, or can't get close too. im even prepared to go up against a sinx... what doesn't seem all that fair, is going up against a sinx that can break me in a matter of secounds. because to get max damage against that sinx im prolly not going to have my unbreakable axe on. im gonna have my hardest hitter, cuz he'll do twice the damage to me in half the time. yea i've got my axes macro'd so if it breaks i can swap over the moment it becomes a problem. but thats one split secound, i don't have if i wanna win. Cuz like it was said before... you've got a 3 second grace period. after that, its who kills who fastest. not who kills who with the most style, or strategy. and from dueling plenty of times before, i find that while one guys counting down, the other guys made sure he's as close as possible.
Armani Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 How is my argument dumb? Run some tests with me. That and i never WS unless its a paladin, even than it's rare. So want to duel? You can use ws, strip, coma, sk, stun, etc I bet i'll still win BECAUSE I do what it takes to win.
Kuyuti Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Evasive the fact that the card can be nulled just proves absolutely nothing- It doesn't prove that it shouldn't be nerfed neither does it support that it should lol. The nerf is about the activation rate not the fact that the card breaks armor, unfortunately if you can't wrap your mind around that then I am sorry just stop posting then.
Hrist Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Evasive the fact that the card can be nulled just proves absolutely everything Fixed. Its about the activation rate not the fact that the card breaks armor. Actually, its both. It activates (very quick no matter what the rates are because of 195 aspd) and breaks your armor :P You want it nerfed because you kept getting broken by one single card. Make up your mind mang. 10% and 1% literally isn't that big of a difference. I even get coma status at .01% after just 2 hits. What makes you think its gonna be any different?
Amitsu Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 it just shows your weak if you have to use different ways in which you're at the advantage through cards that forces the enemy at disadvantage within less than a second. try to kill me without ws coma or anything. only a few can. and exactly, the armor break is going to be triggered anyways so why not just nerf it. it'll make situations a whole lot easier. Freeze, is a Status. Just like coma, stun. and half a dozen others. Each one wears off over a matter of time. A broken weapon will still be a broken weapon. You can go to sleep, go to work, and at the end of the day. Its still broken. There is weapons that on their own will break with a low chance. i think this is the only card that encourages breaking. So in the end its not like merchants will be the only one capable of breaking. it just requires a little more effort on someones part to break. I gotta be honest, im seeing apples and oranges at the moment. and this has been said before. i pointed it out. you're better off not using any other status affect as an example because they are only temporary like stated in that quote. whitesmith card doesn't get unbroken unless you leave the battle or die in the battle and go repair it. Coma is a status affect that instantly kills you, but it drop you down to 1 hp, not really kill you. please, your stupid examples have nothing to do with whitesmith because its not a temporary status affect. and incantation samurai card is a major key in PvP and also barely has any way to be "nerfed" so don't bring up dumb fuck bullshit that doesn't work because it just shows that your a fucking dumb fuck person. Fixed. Actually, its both. It activates (very quick no matter what the rates are because of 195 aspd) and breaks your armor :P You want it nerfed because you kept getting broken by one single card. Make up your mind mang. 10% and 1% literally isn't that big of a difference. I even get coma status at .01% after just 2 hits. What makes you think its gonna be any different? it can turn the tide of the battle at the beginning, so its better of to give the other guy a chance before his armor breaks. cuz its going to break anyways why not let the battle last longer. WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT it's what your teachers go through when you write an essay. lol
*Kevin* Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 It doesn't need to be nerfed , simple :) . Get it in your brains . Amitsu , cool down , your insults towards the others are making yourself looking really ridicolous :) . Freeze subject was brought IT by Kuyuti , so he was just answering to him/her ( sorry i dont know you :) ) , avoid shooting your 2years old-brainless insults . 7% for the armor break is fine , 10% for the weapon break is fine . Its quite a weak card in my opinion , since a skiller player got perm fcp / anti break equips .. so why making it weaker than it is already ? Actually would be nice to make the break go through fcp :) , because right now is way too weak / useless . .. Joking , just making whiner's blood hotter :) .
Amitsu Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Its quite a weak card in my opinion , since a skiller player got perm fcp / anti break equips .. so why making it weaker than it is already ? are you saying I'm not skilled? ;o again, post by experience not assumptions WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXTWALLOFTEXT
*Kevin* Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 If you get owned by ws ... yes :) . Since ws is such a weak card , if you get owned by it so much that you have to whine about it .... well , math was never my strong point , make it yourself --> 1+1 = ? .
Hrist Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 I feel bad for those who can't fcp themselves. Ask for my msn and I'll add you up. Msn me for free fcp. :( EDIT: If you played Pokemon Global (The MMO Pokemon release) with me, then you wouldn't have to worry about getting broken by WS. LOL
Amitsu Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 If you get owned by ws ... yes :) . Since ws is such a weak card , if you get owned by it so much that you have to whine about it .... well , math was never my strong point , make it yourself --> 1+1 = ? . naw dude i failed 2nd semester of geometry twice and integ math 2 first semester by like 4% or something but yea if you need whitesmith you kill me q.q
*Kevin* Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 I need what's needed to kill my enemy :) . I rarely use ws , actually i use the weapon with ws on it , just for stripping ( it has my dwar on it t_T ) since skilled guys got rsx on the right armors .. but we are talking about paladins here ( 20-30mins battle --> fcp runs out ) . For the rest of the jobs usually it ends before , except other LKs .
Kuyuti Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Again Hrist, Neither do I get owned by WS beacuse I have FCP nor do I want to get rid of it, the fact is the activation rate is to fast for 195 aspd it has nothing to do with FCP Lol >.>; nothing at all :/....
Icon Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 the fact that the card can be nulled just proves absolutely nothing- this actually DOES prove that there's nothing abuseable about the card which was the main agruement if the card be nulled in so many different ways then there's no feasible reason to nerf it ... fcp elite gears other unbreakable gears cards that make gears indestructible strip weapon takes away their WS you can't argue much about the percentage either ... coma is .01% - 1% chance and it can drop you in 1 second .. i do it all the time in WoE (using coma as an example because it has the lowest % of activation) w/o fcp you have 1-20 seconds ... that's with and without a nerf with fcp you have 10 minutes but if you're not prepared then you're going to die anyway the only real valid arguement here is that WS card is better than Meltdown and if anything that lone WS should be asking for meltdown to be brought up to the cards standards since the card is used more than the class and it would only be fair to change whats used the least a few good points Armani : nerf or no nerf you're going to get broke if you can't get around it Tick : some classes need enhancing first Yeung : ''Get with the times hippies~!" .. it you want to take PvP seriously then get fcp'd Devo : welcome to the high rates .. and i can guarantee that there's been multiple votes from the same IP which will almost guarantee that the poll will be thrown out
Kuyuti Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 There isn't a feasible reason not to nerf, I personaly agree with tick though =p and I just saw this suggestion and found a good argument as to why so meh. Idc if this gets passed and all this is doing is boosting up my post count :D so meh imo close this, in the end it still isn't something serious that needs to be fixed, I mean while it can be fixed in less than five seconds I'm sure it won't be and the fact that someone keeps voting yes it kind of annoying lol! Soooo anyway imo Close this, the argument is over and lets make another suggestion about some other classes like how WS the class maybe could use a boost XP
Evasive Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 amitsu, you make yourself seem like a selfish "noob" in pvp, ranting about deaths provoked by the ws card thus requesting a nerf in order to have 1 less tactic your enemy may use on you to worry about. answer me how is ws card able to be abused? there are many ways to counter it, it's a card available to absolutely everyone since it has no class penalty... so how is it abused?
Kuyuti Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Evasive just because you can counter something doesn't mean its not abused :D
Evasive Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Evasive just because you can counter something doesn't mean its not abused :D define abuse, properly. since as i said, it's easy to counter, countering it is available to absolutely everyone, and the ws card is available to absolutely everyone. so HOW is it abused? the only trouble i see here is that some people do not know how to counter it or are too lazy to counter it.
Kuyuti Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 a⋅buse /v. əˈbyuz; n. əˈbyus/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [v. uh-byooz; n. uh-byoos] Show IPA verb, a⋅bused, a⋅bus⋅ing, noun –verb (used with object) 1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority. 2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way: to abuse a horse; to abuse one's eyesight. 3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly to or about; revile; malign. 4. to commit sexual assault upon. 5. Obsolete. to deceive or mislead. –noun 6. wrong or improper use; misuse: the abuse of privileges. 7. harshly or coarsely insulting language: The officer heaped abuse on his men. 8. bad or improper treatment; maltreatment: The child was subjected to cruel abuse. 9. a corrupt or improper practice or custom: the abuses of a totalitarian regime. 10. rape or sexual assault. 11. Obsolete. deception. —Idiom 12. abuse oneself, to masturbate. Pick anyone >.>;
