Aluxe Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 well big problem there is Asura is instant kill jaja [dont say reflect cuz we know champs can survive that when skilled =( ] dont say shield dont say valk mant gr will break if you dont RSX without tao asura will do more damage than the hp you have em just in case someone wanna point out any of the counter champ options there they are so dont change the subject again ok?
Evasive Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 well big problem there is Asura is instant kill jaja [dont say reflect cuz we know champs can survive that when skilled =( ] dont say shield dont say valk mant gr will break if you dont RSX without tao asura will do more damage than the hp you have em just in case someone wanna point out any of the counter champ options there they are so dont change the subject again ok? you should be afraid of strip when it comes to a champ instead of ws. aluxe, your arguments are easily countered by just the words "what about strip?" find something else to support your statements since strip still exists in the game.
Hrist Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 Its all about speed. You don't take them all out before your FCP runs out, then you have crapped on yourself, knowing that you forgot to bring your RSX armor (I carry 1 RSX Tao and GR just in case). Seriously, I once finished LMS in less than 10 minutes so its not a big issue. Nerf everything. Seriously, go ahead and ask for a nerf each time you get owned by something and you don't know how to fight back / too lazy to do something about it. Drag us down with you so we can all have a goddamn good time. Answer my points. I don't feel challenged in this. All I see are selfish attempts to be relieved of their weaknesses without them doing something first about it.
Cirrus Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 -Yes you will still get your equipment broke eventually, but you will have enough time to fight back and its your choice wether you want to stay on range and get ws'd or back out and change strategy. How would you know if your opponent uses WS, thus "back out and change strategy?" The point is still don't, let, it, happen. That's my reason why it shouldn't be nerfed. I am not posting "you counter this with blah blah." There is really no strong point in nerfing it.
CrankE Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 RSX or FCP > WS. Why should it be nerfed since you have chace to fcp or wear rsx.
Aluxe Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 How would you know if your opponent uses WS, thus "back out and change strategy?" The point is still don't, let, it, happen. That's my reason why it shouldn't be nerfed. I am not posting "you counter this with blah blah." There is really no strong point in nerfing it. I carry more than one armor, if one get broke the others wont for sure =) [i love being able to repair my own armors in my new whitesmith *-*]
Evasive Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 I carry more than one armor, if one get broke the others wont for sure =) [i love being able to repair my own armors in my new whitesmith *-*] you just helped my argument with this. thank you.
Armani Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 I can actually agree with the WS being nerfed, people can either FCP/RSX. o______o I still think this is a really retarded thread.
Kuyuti Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Evasive your argument doesn't support anything at all >>; I give up if you people will continue to give arguments that don't disprove or approve of the main argument I will just stop posting. I'm simply saying that FCP/ RSX are ways to null out the card completely it doesn't explain why the card shouldn't be nerfed. I mean we all know that WS can be countered but it doesn't explain that it simply activates to fast :/ and those few extra seconds can easily change the sway of the battle and if you dont care Hrist then why post up here >.>?
Evasive Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Evasive your argument doesn't support anything at all >>; I give up if you people will continue to give arguments that don't disprove or approve of the main argument I will just stop posting. I'm simply saying that FCP/ RSX are ways to null out the card completely it doesn't explain why the card shouldn't be nerfed. I mean we all know that WS can be countered but it doesn't explain that it simply activates to fast :/ and those few extra seconds can easily change the sway of the battle and if you dont care Hrist then why post up here >.>? every argument i've done is against this suggestion. why? this suggestion is stupid. "no such thing as stupid suggestions" eh? here's one. explain WHY the card should be nullified. why should the staff waste their time doing this? this suggestion is selfish and pitiful enough for me to tone any violent harassment towards anyone agreeing with it down.
Armani Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 It's not that it should, or shouldn't, be nerfed at all. It's just certain people on this server see it as a 'cheat' way of winning even though items in this game were implemented for a reason. If your items get broken, simply use RSX, Valkyrie, Golem, etc. If you get stripped use Gospel, FCP, etc. If you get Coma'd use GTB. There are variables to everything you do. Just like a famous person once said "What goes up, must come down"
Evasive Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 so if we're defeated by a strategy, we should come to the forums, complain about it and request a nerf because we're too lazy to counter it?
Armani Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Technically, yes. But to be blatant and smart. No.
Evasive Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 so then... this thread is pointless basically, all it's doing is letting us know the creator of its main weakness in pvp... right?
Cirrus Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 I carry more than one armor, if one get broke the others wont for sure =) [i love being able to repair my own armors in my new whitesmith *-*]So it still gets broken. So being 7% or 1% doesn't matter, since "changing strategy" means having one armor broken first. That's obvious though, if one gets broken, then use an RSX armor. Evasive is right, you did help his argument. -_- How can those few seconds saved help a battle, when your armor is still gonna get broken and you're still gonna die if you don't switch fast enough? And if it didn't break, how would you know that your enemy uses WS? Assume that he does? Then get FCP beforehand, as I said, for prevention.Here, something that doesn't revolve around getting FCP and wearing RSX. I've been saying this the whole time. How can those few seconds saved help a battle, when your armor is still gonna get broken and you're still gonna die if you don't switch fast enough? And if it didn't break, how would you know that your enemy uses WS? It's like, since you aren't prepared for it, you deserve to get owned by a "WS noob." :| I admit to not having FCP 24/7, and when I tell somebody they WS'd me, and they say "go cry about it," I'll just say nah, and switch armors/repair. As much as I like to not include FCP and RSX/other indestruct cards in the argument, it's inevitable that they do.
Evasive Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 if not by a "ws noob", you'd get owned by a "strip noob".
Guest icy Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 I still think this is a really retarded thread.
Devotion Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 I have to be honest. I read this entire thread out of obligation. It was a useless painful read, and what I saw were frustrated online gamers. You're all smart people but hardly any of you displayed that much at all in the last six pages. Plus, arguing over anything the way it was done here almost guarantees that the Admins won't consider the suggestion as strongly as they would have. I've seen you guys debate an entire thread without any hostility, so why not in this so called important pole. WS card is abused as hell, I dont really give a damn about either they use WS or not but people try to fully depend on WS. Valk Rangdris was reduced as well for the same reason I believe WS deserves the same. Alright thats it, start the qq :) If that's your initial reasoning, then others can use that same reasoning and make a poll about another "abuseable" item. This argument doesn't carry water. I just added a poll, first of all I myself will count the opinions in the topic, so If I see more votes in one side that reply's, those extra votes will be counted out. That's not how a pole works. Most large polls, like voting for president, doesn't involve arguing. People simply vote, and that alone decides the outcome. And we can all agree this would be a major change. You ALL chose to play a highrate. If some of you are that sensitive about certain items and cards, then you should have considered that before coming to play here. Suggestions are nice and we appreciate them, but giving a suggestion without a proper argument, and then throwing around hostility isn't the way to go about something as important as this. Just tone it down, you all act like you hate each other. Where's the love.
Millenia Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Just tone it down, you all act like you hate each other. Where's the love. People are going to be hostile to others to get what they want and to push their opinions on others, it's how it is. :P I'm still not convinced that WS card should be nerfed. I admit I use WS on my priest but not to give me an advantage but merely to annoy the other person, any smart person carries armor with RSX. This is a PK server for petes sake so you'll HAVE to be prepared for the unknown, right? If you get WS'd so fucking what; WS back, change armor, FCP yourself, you have many counters against WS but you still want it nerfed? WHY? I don't get it. And as it has already been said; even if the WS card was nerfed you'll get WS'd either way. Why bother changing the % then? No to the nerf.
Evasive Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 WS card is abused as hell, I dont really give a damn about either they use WS or not but people try to fully depend on WS. i didn't read this part.. thank you devotion for quoting it in your comment. incantation samurai card is abused as hell. so is gr, deviling, tao gunka, orc lord, turtle general, LoD, goldenring sucks, valk, dragoon warlord, metaling, sinx card, phreeoni... so should we nerf them all because i've been defeated by people that use them? why do people depend so much on the cards up there? oh wait, because they all help players create a strategy.
Sorrow Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 I have to be honest. I read this entire thread out of obligation. oh but the lively discution is so fun :3 It was a useless painful read, and what I saw were frustrated online gamers. You're all smart people but hardly any of you displayed that much at all in the last six pages. You hurt my feelings ={ i really thought i gave useful&respectful insight. You ALL chose to play a highrate. If some of you are that sensitive about certain items and cards, then you should have considered that before coming to play here. i'm sensitive about GTB...but you should understand well why :3 but i'm still here. Just tone it down, you all act like you hate each other. Where's the love. i love you n___n
Kuyuti Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Well my argument isn't the fact that is abused and I know there is no hostility here but Evasive >.> <.<;;; I mean seriously man :/. I mean I'm not crying because I am always prepared for WS card and if it does work on me i know that is my fault because I wasn't smart enough to box my FCPer so don't take me as someone who is "Crying" about this situation I am just simply trying to explain why I think the % should be lowered. That is simply because the ASPD is high here and 7% = About 1 second and broken. Whether this gets approve, which I doubt it will, doesn't bother me but Tao was Nerfed for a reason and so was Thana for Champions so in my honest opinion this card should be lowered. I think my argument is strong but so is my will so I'm sure that will cloud it up =p. So do not accuse me of crying or being stupid because I'm neither and don't assume my situation or my reasoning. I think if WS was to be a more strategic choice than the % would be lowered but if not then it is just an almost sure fire choice for some. For my part I'm trying to point out anyone or am I trying to flame anyone- Some peoples arguments/ posts I may totally ignore, not to mention any names, but I'm not here to punch people out ^.~. And Ofc I have love devotion <3 :D Edit: Its not like the will be a big change anyway >.> Its a matter of like changing one number that would most likely be ridiculously easy to find. So if you guys think this won't effect much than why not just agree? Not like the staff would be wasting more than 2 seconds XP...
Evasive Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 Well my argument isn't the fact that is abused and I know there is no hostility here but Evasive >.> <.<;;; I mean seriously man :/. I mean I'm not crying because I am always prepared for WS card and if it does work on me i know that is my fault because I wasn't smart enough to box my FCPer so don't take me as someone who is "Crying" about this situation I am just simply trying to explain why I think the % should be lowered. That is simply because the ASPD is high here and 7% = About 1 second and broken. Whether this gets approve, which I doubt it will, doesn't bother me but Tao was Nerfed for a reason and so was Thana for Champions so in my honest opinion this card should be lowered. I think my argument is strong but so is my will so I'm sure that will cloud it up =p. So do not accuse me of crying or being stupid because I'm neither and don't assume my situation or my reasoning. I think if WS was to be a more strategic choice than the % would be lowered but if not then it is just an almost sure fire choice for some. For my part I'm trying to point out anyone or am I trying to flame anyone- Some peoples arguments/ posts I may totally ignore, not to mention any names, but I'm not here to punch people out ^.~. And Ofc I have love devotion <3 :D Edit: Its not like the will be a big change anyway >.> Its a matter of like changing one number that would most likely be ridiculously easy to find. So if you guys think this won't effect much than why not just agree? Not like the staff would be wasting more than 2 seconds XP... i'm not being hostile, i'm giving you a valid argument. as i said, i've died to people using incantation samurai cards, should that card be nerfed? well, answer me. battle against that instead of you calling me hostile. man up. the cards that were nerfed prevented near-Godly abilities for classes to balance them out more. this card does not make anybody Godly, instead it only gives those prepared an upper hand to those obviously unprepared for battle.
