death... Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 So you added a poll. I vote for no, leave the effect as it is. And surely it will drop its price and lessens the amount of users if it change. Like what I read, FCP if you're pro, and it's an advantage for a noob.
Born2punish Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 So you added a poll. I vote for no, leave the effect as it is. And surely it will drop its price and lessens the amount of users if it change. Like what I read, FCP if you're pro, and it's an advantage for a noob. What he said really, things will be different including the price+users if this changed.
Sorrow Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 There's no reason for a nerf, without RSX or FCP your armor WILL be broken even at 1% by someone like a sniper or sinx. This card is a way to force opponents to use something else to become more vulnerable in other area. Price falling and no buyers is a problem people who expend their time only pvping can't understand to those who actually expend their time fighting the mvp and having their rewards lessened. It breaks the ace up the sleeve some classes have, screwing them up even more. Preventing it is rather easy too, you just have to pay a price, as well as someone using this paid a price by sacrificing one slot they could've used for upgrade their damage. EDP with over +200% demi-human damage modifiers at 195 ASPD also wasn't mean to be obtainable by gravity's plan, as well as GTB at 10% drop rate becoming standard equipment, totally ignoring the enemy's defence also wasn't supposed to be done with normal attacks by everyone and instant cast too, for that matter...the list goes on and on... the truth is, this is high rate, accept that.
Kuyuti Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 We aren't asking to get rid of the ard that would be ridiculous but the simple fact that 10% is a huge amount! And to whoever said FCP is for pros not everyone can dualbox to get FCP and not everyone has friends that can just simply FCP them. RSX would still be a valid ddefence from this but there are others strategy to use and the fact that the rate is so high throws all those strategies into the trash :/ Evasive: I have no idea what you said and you have made no sense :/ I hate seeing all these onclusions without a good Premise, so sorrow I want to thank you for giving a premise to your conclusion but it still didn't fully support the idea that "Nerfing is useless"- The fact that "sacrificing one slot they could've used for upgrade their damage." Isn't really supported beause the sacrifice will still be there because this card will still be effetive its just it will give the people who choose to fight without RSX or FCP a chance to win. A fair fight is a fight that both people have a chance to win and this would simply make the fight more fair. I fight people WS all the time and sure I can afford to have a box with FCP but I don't always go in with FCP and then I run into some nab who hits me once and my armor is off? I just think the rate needs to be lower, this won't lower the price it will just lower the effiency and it will truly make the WS card a sacrifice. Like I make a sarifice when I put Randragis card on my dagger because .4% chance is a small chance to land but its a true risk I'm willing to take but someone puts WS on then they know the will beat someone who doesn't have FCP on....Sorry 10% just doesn't make sense to me if someone is hitting at 195 ASPD...
Hrist Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Sure, go ahead and nerf it. Smart people don't even need a WS card. Everyone has elite weapons so go for a Mailbreaker instead (very cheap compared to WS card). 0.1% Chance of Armor break is still very high (and people still QQ about it). Add strip cards (strip weapon, shield, strip armor in accessory) to that and it'll become a whole new annoying weapon. If you think nerfing WS is gonna slow down Lord Knights/Paladins etc, then you haven't fought that many yet. People switch faster than the blink of an eye here. Even with reducts, the speed of switching (of some people) is so fast that massive hits gets through before you can switch stuff on your character. Champs don't need WS (that much) with all their offensive skills, priests maybe (mediocre damage, no offense skills, buff-reliant). Mailbreaker for most melee classes (that can wear daggers) rocks. Do it. Go ahead and nerf it. EDIT: Since you guys wanted to talk about slowing people down, I answered it for you. It doesn't slow anyone at all. Cut the crap about low rates because its not =/= in ForsakenRO. Its a whole new ball game. FCP isn't that expensive. With monstrous computer specs (which most of you people possess), surely dual clienting isn't that big of a deal. Rates (of breaking) are so high that strategies are trashed? I mean c'mon, the only time you'll fail while using RSX/Valk R is when you get stripped. Are you gonna QQ about strip too?
Amitsu Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Sorrow the point is that it's too high. EDP ahs nothing to do with this. without edp sinx will only be doing 5k to you while every other class does like 20k shut the hell up evasive. i have nothing to say but. gtfo stfu don't be a cuntass hypocrite nerfing it isn't going to lower the fricken price. stfu look at valk, it was nerfed, price didn't change q.q a lot of people don't have forsaken pass. WE'RE NOT YOU. I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE. STFU. keep packet editing. ass holes. people have more than one sets of armor. i have one. i'm a god damned noob. i still kill you. q.q i don't meed ws or coma. that's not the case, ws changed the tide of the battle once the armor is broken. its to give the battle a little longer of a chance before the advantage is entirely switched. and i'm pretty sure a majority of the people that say no, uses whitesmith and want the higher advantage. strip is a different story. don't pull in other skills and go off topic. if you have nothing to contribute. get the hell out (warn hammer)
Terroryst Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Oh man, Dreams. You're a beastly cool guy for this you know that? And yes, as death said, think of the people that rely on it to kill people. Yes it's annoying but they need it like we need berries so get used to it.
Aluxe Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Oh man, Dreams. You're a beastly cool guy for this you know that? And yes, as death said, think of the people that rely on it to kill people. Yes it's annoying but they need it like we need berries so get used to it. they will still have the Break chance, it will just be lowered to make it out of the 100% chance. (1% chance is high believe it or not =/ )
*Kevin* Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 I didn't think there would be actually someone who couldn't get the on-purpose-constructive-sarcarsm of my *millions* , but ehy .. made my day again . I am not going to point out what everyone did before me , it would be just a boring time waste for me , and i already have NO time to waste with whiners . Since i am not a fAn of forums , i'd highly prefer if you didn't try to flame me because you can't , and if you think you can .. well you fail at the beginning . What i said stays , there are so many ways to counter a card like ws , or any other stuff-breaking skills/weapons/cards , that your whines about WSs are just pathetic . Taking the chance of this card lowered to 1% will just bring another *QQ* poll in 1-2 months ''QQ WS NB CARD TAKE OFF THAT EFFECT 1% IS TOO MUCH FOR US NEWBIES" . It's an official card with it's official effect and like that it must stay in my humble opinion . Remember we are on Ragnarok online , even though it's a private server ( which just brings cool stuff / equip ) , and not QQ online .. so let me be rude for this time , since i always held myself from posting in this forum : learn to play , the ways to counter a card are in the game , find them and make of them yours priority . QQing about it would just show sides of you that trust me , noone would or SHOULD ever see . And just to prevent your typical "AHA U NAB U WANT IT COZ YOU CANT WIN WITHOUT WS AHAH" , i use ws only in case of ganging or if in a duel i accept to use it with the duelist ... or with whiners who cant win and so they look like 5years old whining children who just can't get the ice cream they want desperately , in this case too i like making them whine even more . Sorry for being rude but , really .. this is Ragnarok online , even though it's a pserver , not QQ land .
Terroryst Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 they will still have the Break chance, it will just be lowered to make it out of the 100% chance. (1% chance is high believe it or not =/ ) Berries heal 100%.
Kuyuti Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 I don't know what berries have to do with this but still >.>; This card will still be effective I mean Valk R is effective, Edge is still effective atm it is just a bit to effective for the advantage that is gives. Tao was nerfed for this reason and look it is still just as popular and expensive. This card is hardly killed for it is actually mostly donated for like SinX and Sniper due to the diffiulty of this MVP. I don't think people will QQ about lowering it more honestly and if they do I will be there on the other because 1% is plenty low while also being plenty high. I'm looking for balance not for my own personal gain. I mean if it doesn't get changed it doesn't get hanged but a formidable argument has been made for why it should be brought down to 1% and I agree with it and even though people have brought up good arguments I don't think they compare to the argument as to why it should be gimped. I think if we let this rely on a vote or on pointless replies we will get more replies like Evasives who make no sense >.>;. As for people relying on it they will soon realize that this card is still pretty effetive - I for one rely on Randgris its a 1% chance to cast a spell that will have an effect to land at .4% ? It is a risk that I take.
Guest icy Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Why nerf something that can easily be counter?
Evasive Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 evasive. i have nothing to say but. gtfo stfu don't be a cuntass hypocrite nerfing it isn't going to lower the fricken price. stfu look at valk, it was nerfed, price didn't change q.q a lot of people don't have forsaken pass. WE'RE NOT YOU. I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE. STFU. to people without fcpers, you know, nerfing or removing won't solve much but create more controversy, why not you go in-game and do something instead of come to the forums and cry about it? define hypocrite and how i used hypocrisy & thanks for your use of your vast vocabulary, did you say hypocrite to seem smart? it seems like the only high school level word used throughout your entire cry. as for everything else you said directed to me, read my quote. take action, don't talk action.
Sorrow Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 We aren't asking to get rid of the ard that would be ridiculous but the simple fact that 10% is a huge amount! And to whoever said FCP is for pros not everyone can dualbox to get FCP and not everyone has friends that can just simply FCP them. RSX would still be a valid ddefence from this but there are others strategy to use and the fact that the rate is so high throws all those strategies into the trash :/ Evasive: I have no idea what you said and you have made no sense :/ I hate seeing all these onclusions without a good Premise, so sorrow I want to thank you for giving a premise to your conclusion but it still didn't fully support the idea that "Nerfing is useless"- The fact that "sacrificing one slot they could've used for upgrade their damage." Isn't really supported beause the sacrifice will still be there because this card will still be effetive its just it will give the people who choose to fight without RSX or FCP a chance to win. A fair fight is a fight that both people have a chance to win and this would simply make the fight more fair. I fight people WS all the time and sure I can afford to have a box with FCP but I don't always go in with FCP and then I run into some nab who hits me once and my armor is off? I just think the rate needs to be lower, this won't lower the price it will just lower the effiency and it will truly make the WS card a sacrifice. Like I make a sarifice when I put Randragis card on my dagger because .4% chance is a small chance to land but its a true risk I'm willing to take but someone puts WS on then they know the will beat someone who doesn't have FCP on....Sorry 10% just doesn't make sense to me if someone is hitting at 195 ASPD... Actually it's 10% weapon break, armor break is 7%. Anyways, you've got to also think about other classes; High priests going full PD only to coma and armor break people. To analize something fair, you have to think in more than one scenario, not just the average mirror match one having the card and the other not. It's already sad enough becoming a parody of what they should be and still losing the few trumphs. Sorrow the point is that it's too high. EDP ahs nothing to do with this. without edp sinx will only be doing 5k to you while every other class does like 20k shut the hell up my my, seems like someone's not following the line of thinking...recomend you to re-read what i wrote, and preferably taking the whole sentence into consideration. The correct manner to read it is "blah,blah,blah and blah, blah, blah wasn't also supposed to be done" and not "EDP blah,blah,blah cheap blah,blah, blah" nerfing it isn't going to lower the fricken price. stfu look at valk, it was nerfed, price didn't change q.q Valk card has also more functions other than dispell, it stood its value because of the card as a whole, if the card was all about dispell, sure would have been penalized; Valk card makes that IcePick[1] indestructible as rises its damage in 10% and also adds the 1% chance of lv1 dispell. i'm not 100% positive because it hasn't happened, so you also shouldn't be so certain of your convictions. Personally, if i had this card and liked using it, i would try to pass it on if it received such penalty. And if others think like me to this, passing it on for a good price wouldn't be easy... and i'm pretty sure a majority of the people that say no, uses whitesmith and want the higher advantage. PS2:i'm not a proud owner of a WS card. :3
Evasive Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 what i conclude of this is that ws is easy to counter so it shouldn't be nerfed since it comes in handy in certain situations.
Aluxe Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 what i conclude of this is that ws is easy to counter so it shouldn't be nerfed since it comes in handy in certain situations. there you said it, it should be a recurrent not a must use. Reducing the chance its not going to make people stop using it, after all 1% chance its still a high chance, but people will actually think when its the right moment to use it. (4x whitesmiths probably jaja)
Born2punish Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 evasive. i have nothing to say but. gtfo stfu don't be a cuntass hypocrite nerfing it isn't going to lower the fricken price. stfu look at valk, it was nerfed, price didn't change q.q a lot of people don't have forsaken pass. WE'RE NOT YOU. I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE. STFU. keep packet editing. ass holes. Mang please calm down. It's just a suggestion mixed with opinions. Were family here man. <3
Armani Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 Lol... FCP. Glistening Coats > WS/Strip It's a HIGHRATE It's easy to get the things you need :D
Amitsu Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 define hypocrite and how i used hypocrisy & thanks for your use of your vast vocabulary, did you say hypocrite to seem smart? it seems like the only high school level word used throughout your entire cry. as for everything else you said directed to me, read my quote. take action, don't talk action. don't assume shit you don't know. try contributing something to the topic instead of something offtopic. You're topics are full of shit all the time. all they are are flame starters. take action, don't talk action. you need to do more of that yourself. what i conclude of this is that ws is easy to counter so it shouldn't be nerfed since it comes in handy in certain situations. so, everything else can be countered. and everything else is handy in certain situations might as well return all the modifications to what it once was. why rage about it now? there you said it, it should be a recurrent not a must use. Reducing the chance its not going to make people stop using it, after all 1% chance its still a high chance, but people will actually think when its the right moment to use it. (4x whitesmiths probably jaja) and like what was said before, its not removing the entire card, its just lowring the chance activating by what, 5 seconds. and that edp matter is because even if EDP SEEMS overpowered with 195 attack speed and gravity didn't intend it, it shouldn't get a nerf or anything because that would just decrease their damage horrendously. i don't think its 200% anyways. but that's what i meant.
Armani Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 Woo hostility. Anyway I still think FCP is the answer. This is a highrate it's so easy to get items on here, it's not even funny. I don't see it as hard at all. Even getting MVP's is an easy job since you can pretty much summon them with a Professor. o____o` lol
Amitsu Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 Woo hostility. Anyway I still think FCP is the answer. This is a highrate it's so easy to get items on here, it's not even funny. I don't see it as hard at all. Even getting MVP's is an easy job since you can pretty much summon them with a Professor. o____o` lol WE'RE NOT YOU. i don't farm for stuff nor do i get coupons for anything.
Terroryst Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 i don't farm for stuff nor do i get coupons for anything. WE'RE NOT YOU. Oh what? Not everybody just sits and complains bout stuff. Get YOUR shit straight before you talk.
Amitsu Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 talk about what? get what shit straight. be more specific i can sit and complain. we're all hypocrites. everyone has done something hypocritical. everyone has done something stupid. everyone has been lazy. don't point shit at me.
Terroryst Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 You make it seem like everybody is as lazy as you and won't work for their things. Yes, people DO work to FCP themselves. Don't point shit at you? You're the person overreacting 'bout all this.
