Kusanagi Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Alright Im not sure if this have been proposed before so here goes the idea: Full/Partial Nerf to the WS card Full: a whole new effect for the card Partial: Reduce Chances to 1% in armor and Weapon Im pretty sure people would qq a hell lot for a full nerf so I guess the most realistic position is partial Nerf Reason: WS card is abused as hell, I dont really give a damn about either they use WS or not but people try to fully depend on WS. Valk Rangdris was reduced as well for the same reason I believe WS deserves the same. Alright thats it, start the qq :)
Kuyuti Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 I think if Valk R was reduced Then WS should be reduced as well. I mean you can easily say "FCP" is the answer to that but i disagree because not everyone PVPs with FCP so I agree completely. I'm sure some WS -reliant- people will get on and QQ but go ahead and QQ away this argument is valid and sound :D
Cirrus Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 ^ xD I say if you wanna be in optimal condition when fighting, get FCP and not worry about WS. I'm not WS reliant and I hate people who just casually break my armor in for_fild, but that's my fault for not coming prepared to prevent it (but yeah I have my RSX armors.) And, Randgris card was reduced? Idgi. Tell me pls?
Sorrow Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 If only all the problem in the game was a broken armor... Please...S>Glistening Coats 100:3 PS:This suggestion is a qq itself. PS2:i'm not a proud owner of a WS card.
death... Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 I prefer you all guys being FCPed all the time :P You all worried about the WS users but remember there are some that can strip. Yeah, that +15 all stats hats begin to annoy me ._.
Sorrow Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Also...second to Ratemyserver, Valky Card is and always was 1% chance of dispelling...did it get nerfed to 0,1%, or something like that? =P
Kusanagi Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Posted March 12, 2009 Rsx Card^^ Im not saying theres no way to counter im saying people abuse it. I say if you wanna be in optimal condition when fighting, get FCP and not worry about WS. I'm not WS reliant and I hate people who just casually break my armor in for_fild, but that's my fault for not coming prepared to prevent it (but yeah I have my RSX armors.) And, Randgris card was reduced? Idgi. Tell me pls? I have RSX armors but then you loose the chance to use other cards and thus: call a champ and death Also yes, Valk rangdris used to be 10% not 1%. FCP, RSX, Golem, Elite weap etc... 10 minutes, Divest, divest, Divest. Im not asking you people for excuses to what you can do against it, cuz I know them all just as everyone. Im not saying you cant counter it, Im saying its been abused, Whitesmiths (the class) have basically a lower chance than the card itself (its a buffs and thuse it can be debufed and out timed).
xBiscuit Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Okay, let's nerf WS. Then, we'll give edge a coma percent of 10%, deal? It's in the game for a reason, either you suck it up or go use RSX and FCP. It's really useless to nerf something, when either way it's going to happen. And another thing, people abuse WS? Why would else would the put it in the game? For, it to be shown off? A card it's meant for abuse, if it wasn't then I don't think it would be in the game.
Terroryst Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 WS gets annoying, but it's fine the way it is. I just fear for the people that don't have multiple armors or a source of FCP.
Sorrow Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 I have RSX armors but then you loose the chance to use other cards and thus: call a champ and death Don't you think that's the point? WS forcing you to use RSX? You can't have one equipment that will save your neck from all situations, that's how the game(and life itself too) works; for each thing you gain you lose something else. Im not saying theres no way to counter im saying people abuse it. Im not asking you people for excuses to what you can do against it, cuz I know them all just as everyone. Im not saying you cant counter it, Im saying its been abused Then it's just counter it instead of complaining ^^ Abuse=previsible. Whitesmiths (the class) have basically a lower chance than the card itself (its a buffs and thuse it can be debufed and out timed). Boosting whiteSmiths would be more acceptable than nerfing a card since you care so much about them.Think openly; doing such to the card will affect more than just your pvp life.
Terroryst Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Boosting whiteSmiths would be more acceptable than nerfing a card since you care so much about them.Think openly; doing such to the card will affect more than just your pvp life. Majority, if not all, of the people here are talking about PvP.
Kuyuti Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Well fact is When The WS card was made on RO it wasn't intended to be make with a 195 ASPD, while this applies to other cards and weapons I can still see where we is coming from XP
Millenia Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 lets remove fsets while we're at it. idk just a thought. agreed? k cool.
Amitsu Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Well fact is When The WS card was made on RO it wasn't intended to be make with a 195 ASPD, while this applies to other cards and weapons I can still see where we is coming from XP yea that's true its way too high for it to be meant for 195 attack speed and shit man i fucking got whitesmithed by an asura not fun
Millenia Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 did you guys make RO? did you? eh? or are bffls with the guys who did and know they didnt intend that? who the fuck cares if it was intended or not this is a highrate we make decision based on how it affect US A HIGH RATE SERVER and not a low-rate not how some ro core developer cries over the fact that private servers have 195 aspd at night and tbh i dont see anypoint in nerfing it, you're going to get ws'd someway or another, qq about it, ask it to be nerfed further more, get ws'd, qq, nerf, repeat.
Kusanagi Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Posted March 12, 2009 Whitesmiths dont need to be boosted in those terms I think, its the WS card the problem. Rangdris was nerfed from 10% to 1 and not to mention its dispell lvl 1 (40% chance) that means it got down from 4% to 0.4. Ws card have 10% wich is practically 100% chance (195 aspd means it takes you 1-2 secs to work), WS card requieres a nerf thats all. An indeed you will still get WSd but it will be under fair rules.
Millenia Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 under fair rules? what. it is under fair rules ....... what? your post makes no sense. since when was using a ws card unfair / against 'rules'
Kuyuti Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Honestly Leni you usually make sense but atm you aren't ;^;. I know this is a high rate and we are determining what would be fair. The card was made in low rate standards where sure 10% is a lot but here 10% means it will work in the matter of seconds :/ I agree we are comparing Low Rate to High Rate here. I Don't know the rate just doesn't seem right imo :/
Millenia Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Honestly Leni you usually make sense but atm you aren't ;^;. I know this is a high rate and we are determining what would be fair. The card was made in low rate standards where sure 10% is a lot but here 10% means it will work in the matter of seconds :/ I agree we are comparing Low Rate to High Rate here. I Don't know the rate just doesn't seem right imo :/ im just saying im fed up of you guys being like, ON LOW RATE ___ ISNT MEANT TO BE LIKE THAT!! RO DIDNT MAKE ___ SO THAT WOULD HAPPEN! NERF, NERF, NERF! LETS COPY LOW RATES! this is a high rate. rsx is easily obtained. valk r is easily obtained. fcp is easily obtained. ws is easily obtainable. RSX>VALKR>FCP >>> WS 3:1 my previous post prolly didnt make sense thanks to kusw/e his name was. lol. pk doesnt have rules. cards dont have rules. you cant say something is fair based on cards. his whole argument is flawed.
Kuyuti Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 In a way so is yours. I mean you act like this server was made from scratch which it isn't it was copied from the Original Servers or a low rate. Now this isn't the same as a low rate which means some rules will need to be bent to make it fair. That would be why I make comparisons like that to stress the fact that the rules aren't the same. And sure RSX is > WS but it still doesn't change the fact that WS occurs way to fast @_@ So I think this would be a good time to apply the rules to our modified server in order to make things more fair. I think even at 1-3% This card would still activate plenty of times XP. And I don't see how Valk R> FCP it doesn't dispel FCP >.>;;;; or at least I have never had FCP dispelled...
Millenia Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 re-write that without mentioning low rates. without mentioning how ro was meant to be like. actually, don't bother. you can't.
