jan Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 i think this is a good idea... here comes soul linker's great help... with Kaizel, SL rocks on this MVP... though, they are just for buffing not focused more on doing the damage... but they will be more helpfull, especially if we cant go back after our character will die... thumbs up for Kuyuti!!!! :thumbsup_still: i AGREE with this idea!!!! :thumbsup_anim:
Kuyuti Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 I forgot to mention a -50% Asura Damage and no Storage command. As well it won't just be the party it will basically be whoever enters the zone before the MVP spawns. PVP in the area will be like WoE you cann't attack pt members, Alliances and Guildies. If you guys have ever played Lineage II think of Baium. Basically anyone can enter the zone before he spawn but the second somebody spawns him in the zone no one can enter :D As well Basillica will be disabled on the map. Yusuke you still fail to realize >.> This MVP will have full divest and full armor breaking abilities (AKA if you dont' FCP or a blacksmith box/friend in the area you are screwed) And he will also dispel, reflect, will have an overpowered Sanctuary. maybe even have a few custom skills. dont forget the Auto endure, Assumptio and a coma ability. As well as an abused Sonic Blow =p This is nothing like Endless TOWER once you go back to town YOU WONT BE ABLE TO GET BACK IN.. kk thx :D Edit: Yes we have someone making the Sprite(s) and i think race change is impossible Every support will play a role including Bard/ Dancer... I mean they have massive ATk boost songs +600 attack on one? Ya lol...
Yusuke Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Of course against it I would FCP, -50% Asura damage sucks but still possible. GTB - Kicks the GM's Coma. Weapon with randagris, to dispell his Assumptio + dispell his reflect, of course that is if we are talking about Champ doing all this well next Sonic blow is nothing, mvps do it a lot (Like Randgris) , Isn't something great.... hits me 14 14 14 lol, endure is useless and if I am not mistaken there is a skill that can disable sanctuary, even if not , asura is faster than sanctuary if you know how to asura fast enough. Hmm the most bad thing is the fact that you want to make this mvp just unbeatable simply as that... or super super strong but once a person dies , he can't come back? Probably this will happen: What if everyone die? The map will be locked, no one will be able to get in to kill the mvp , and it will just walk there, and that's it , he is stuck with no way in anymore.
Devotion Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 If possible, have it constantly change type? And anyway, anyone willing to go and make a sprite for it? Well yeah I have sort of :P But I need an assurance it will be implemented. Ah so we need a pretty detailed plan so that Genesis can tell us what works and what doesn't.
Born2punish Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 In all fairness. His idea is alright I guess this kind of thought is not easy. So i would like to support this But yeah what Devotion said... give more details you never know what'll happen soon. :wub:
Kuyuti Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 You can code it so the MVP will despawn if noone is in the zone O.o Anyway.... Lol when I say Abusd Sonic Blow I mean like 100k,100k,100k. Storage is close the Champ wont have enough Yggs to get thru it. and ya Ofc there is Dispel the Valk R card that makes that useful. Oh ya Coma isn't blocked by GTB ^^ . He will also be able to Dispel and it is possible for him to dispel/break something so ya lol XP WTS active Creator lol I am drawing up a few things including the way the quest will play out or not. Just need Genesis to say he is considering or Zeit to say this is being considered. So I can post up the ideas I have.
Kuyuti Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 Not if the Coma is skill based O.o, Which is a simple make i'm sure there are other skills out there that can bring HP to 1 ect =p
Avalon Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 To get pass Asura Strike, just let it have level 20 Reflect Shield or something. This way, even if they manage to use Asura Strike without killing themselves, it'll do crap damage. Ah, and I remember doing this strategy in a test server... make it use Act Dead on PEOPLE. In other words, they get in Act Dead and can't get out xD. Using level 1 Hiding could work as well if you don't want to make them relog. If you let it use rigged AoE magic skills, it could become a prerequisite to use a GTB card against the MvP. Letting it summon GM clones could be fun. It could also use the Warmth of the Sun/Moon/Stars skill(s) so that people will have to excessively ygg not only for HP but for SP as well. If you allow it to use Rogue Spirit on itself, then Dispell will be ineffective. It should seriously use Champion fist combos just for the hell of it. Dispell and Acid Demonstration would be fun too. It should be able to use Auto-Guard, Parrying, and Assumptio. Meltdown would be fun too. Maybe it can use Enchant Deadly Poison when it's almost dead. Full Strip would be great too. Kaizel and Bio Explosion used in a combination would be hilarious. Of course, if you use all of the above, then it'll be almost impossible to kill it, lol. Maybe use only some of them. It should drop the ANGRA MANYU!! No, I'm kidding. But if an MvP is ever custom made, then I say it should seriously look like this: http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?all_mob_...b_search=Search
Dart Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Avalon, that's the MVP at the top of Endless Tower...
Kusanagi Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 I swear I will love you guys if you made the MVP ; _ ; here is a few sugestions on the mvp: Sprites: Use a modified Sprite of an existing monster.. maybe Naght Seiger Itself would do it (and original one would be awsome but well its a lot of work =[ ). Stats and Others 1-3b hp (if posible maybe it could show as "???") Atack power 200k~400k Anti crit (maning you need at least 200 crit to perfect crit) M atack 100k ~ 200k Atack & Skills -Lets make it a multi-tactical mvp with diferent strategies along the MVP hp (in other words to make it change patter after a % of HP more than once) - Dispell - champs are usually anoyed when they get dispelled and cant asura, also most buffs would need to be recasted (Asumption should be a need for this mvp in order to survive the Epic damage we recieve) - Asumption on itself - that way we need profs to dispell him - Reflect Shield - Anti asura and it would make profs absolutely necesary - Area Coma - Whenver this happens usually the characters atacking will die and then we would need priest to resurect. - Permanent Endure - I think this one is hard to code but should be posible... once this happens Snipers cant solo -Lord of Vermilion - we know this is one of the skills with the widest range, this should be casted at any random time without cast time. - Stop - This skill is casted by the bacsojin, it makes imposible for a character to move and imposible for asura to cast. - Eartquake 5 secs cast - 5 seconds to move or get hit... (also gtb) - Spiral Pierce - Considering the ridiculous ammount of power this mvp should have Spiral Pierce shoud instant kill a character (even a tanker) ensuring the need of a priest or yggdrasil leaf use. - Hell's Powers satan morroc cast this one and once it appears Resurection skill wont work on the character, although Redemption skill should work (I actually havent tested) - Evil Land although It should be a modified version this would heal the mvp and damage players (this mvp gotta be demon xP) - Pulse Strike that way he can push characters away when not waring RSX (since its demon I bet people will use Gloom) - Vampires Gift this will really suck for people who get Area coma at the same time - Spiral Pierce Since this mvp is meant to have a huge atack power Spiral pierce will ensure even a tank would die -Area Soul Drain , more berrys needed or a prof. - Equipment Crush he should randomly cast any of the crushing skills (helmet/shield/armor) - Exile Teleports the player to random location (good to ensure that theres not only one tank) - Invincible - well Im not sure if this skill is out yet... its used by the Great Demon Baphomet, once this skill is up nothing can damage the target this should be casted at the very end of the battle when its about to die (and should have a delay after it is used) - Power up Lvl 5 + Two handed quicken - This should happen along with Invincible, at this moment the party is forced to survive and tank long enough for Invincible to run out and finish the mvp (within the Delay of Invincible) Drops & Acces Drops should be worth as much as the teaming and time so It should have at least 5 rare items drop and 1 super rare item (extremely low chance to drop like 0.5%) here is just a list of sugestions - Naght Seiger twin blade's (well that or make naght seiger drop it >.>) - Golden Valk helm (I dont find it too much of a trouble ...) - Emperium Aurora (1-10% drop chance sounds fair to me... currently people overprice it too much) - ??? card (the effect would be a topic of discusion but this card should have a low drop chance and effects worth the time of hunting such an overpowered mvp
Kusanagi Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Opinions about the perfect strategy I wrote up there? xD (I know it would be a mayor pain to code but isnt it good? ; _ ;)
Cirrus Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Firstly you do not want any MVP 1-hitting you, even on the best equipment for MVPing. Do you? You have a party of ~15, and it just kills every character in 1 hit. No for "abused" skills. Very powerful, but survivable with proper alertness and gear, yes, abused, no. Second, that's why all those skills are put for the MVP. To have multiple classes required. That makes killing the MVP need a proper party, and communication. Blocking Dispell and Coma, yes, GTB, but that makes you more vulnerable to it's normal attacks, being you can't wear Alice shield, so get a Pally to take the damage for you. Sanctuary and AoE spells? Take a prof with you, and keep up Land Protector at all times. Any seasoned MVPer FCPs regularly, so put all the break/strip you want, for those who are unprepared, but that makes having a Creator a necessity. Got more ideas for other classes to be useful? Please, do share. TBH Naght Seiger was a bit disappointing when we got there, but I enjoyed playing a champ, with ygg leaves. I just snapped and resurrected all my dead party members. I agree with this idea, BUT, please do it within bounds of reason. And no more arguments about people not knowing anything and countering everything a person might say, 'cause I find it all childish. 1: "Put this skill and this one" 2: "Then use this and that, solved" ........silly, no? Mhm... I'll stress again on multiple classes working together because that's what I want to see. ;)
Kuyuti Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Posted February 5, 2009 Thank you Kusangi I will take these Skills into consideration while I formulate skills and stuff for it to have. Hell's Powers is a no if it doesn't work with Redemptio. Mass coma is fine. Auto Endure may not be hard to code considering that eddga card gives effect. It will have -50% Asura Damage reduction for sure which is very codable. :D I will contruct. It won't be "Impossible" it will but it will sure seem impossible. Bard/ clown Will be necassary because of their buffs. I will try to include as many classes as I can. Edit: AV is Absolute Virtue which is considered or was considered to be impossible In the game but yet it has still been beat. It was literaly set up to be impossible to beat and was unbeatable for YEARS even a year after SE released a helpful hint video.
Armani Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Why not just ask Genesis to fight you than. If you can beat him, he gives you a Forsaken King Set. If he kills you, you go try again in a few weeks. :) Sounds like a great MVP Monster to me.
Lilium Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Lol. The thought of one-hit kills. Makes me think of Satan Morroc on a low rate I play. One skill, the whole screen is dead, and all the priests off screen rush to revive everybody, before he beats them to a pulp. Then the tanks are up again, then priests raise the priests, and the process restarts. :3 By the way, would the sprite matter so much, for it to look like a Ragnarok monster sprite, or could it be made in another style that still works in its animated way?
Communism Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Okay well this is just my thoughts but... I like your idea, I really do, however some of the things that you have been suggesting sound TOO difficult. If you seriously give an MVP 200k damage, over one billion hp, give it -50% asura damage with constantly changing elements, armor crush skills and make it so that you can't warp back and can't open storage then what are you going to do if your priest/priests, creators, or whitesmiths get wiped out? Hell, what would you do if ANY members of your party got knocked out. If they all play key roles in winning then they shouldn't be quite so susceptible to dying imo. This could work, but I think you need to consider balancing just a little more. I'm not suggesting you make it a pushover or anything of the sort but meh, sounds way too OP right now.
Kusanagi Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 well its suposed to be a mvp you will party for (no less than 10 people fighting it), so you need priest to resurect any character who dies and to heal the tank as fast as posible (meaning you need more than one priest). Berrys shoulnt be restricted but for sure no @storage.... the berrys are suposed to be used only by the tank whenver the priest are not capable of overheal them (that should happen only when they go resurect). The point overall is that this mvp will kill you at least once no matter what you do (even if the damage it does is non piercing def Spiral pierce will be able to pierce defense and kill anything). thats why its suposed to be the ultimate mvp, you are not suposed to defeat it unprepared.
Cirrus Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 I like the Genesis idea. Lol ;) I like how Kuyuti stated it, not impossible but seems impossible. Sounds good to me.
» Pat Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Skills; Dispell, Quagmire, Evil Land, Fire Breath, Dark Breath, FIre Ball, Meteor Storm, Dark Strike, Earthquake, Hell's Judgement, Pulse Strike, Critical Slash, Magic Mirror, Stone Skin, Invisible, Power Up, Area Sleep, Area Curse, Area Petrification, Slow Cast, Critical Wounds, Dragon Fear, Summon Slaves (Dark Shadow), Call Slaves, Life Stream Sit & wait.
Yusuke Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Haha better wait to this one really :P , And btw dude kuyuti I think , even if a mvp uses Stop skill , I found out an awesome way to asura even if you are caught in it so yeah /gg
Kuyuti Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Posted February 5, 2009 I'm not suggesting you make it a pushover or anything of the sort but meh, sounds way too OP right now. I know that is the point :) You need to fight it and be like "Omgash wtf O.o". I mean if this idea gets approved there is still testing and what not. well its suposed to be a mvp you will party for (no less than 10 people fighting it) That is the plan except with maybe 20-30 people at the very least fighting it which in my MMO experience is a reasonable number considering in FFXI The Boss Monsters usually had like 30-50 people there... and in L2 there is like 120-200 person per epic raid boss O.o. And one of them still hasn't been killed XP. And When I consider skills and stuff I just don't throw them in there and say it works I think about its effects on every class and than there is also a probability notion that goes with each attack. This MVP will be beatable garunteed just the number of people it takes to beat it is unknown =p. I have already got a skeleton for the "questing" issue and as for the MVP name and Sprite have been resolved and the Sprite will be made if approved. A few more sprites as well since the minions will have PVP like qualities but will be new MVPs themselves. As well for the Card issues the Main Boss MVP will drop the cards of his minion bosses at 5% (Which are class specializations) and the main boss will drop his card at either 1% or .5%(Which if codable will have a Gospel like effect, either that it or if a new skill can be made for this card that works like Tarot Card of Fate but good for the users party/himself) I also know that these cards will be next to impossible to get so the minion bosses will be cards to general focus around class balance issues. It all depends on what is possible, it will help make up for a classes Weakness basically - Which i think at a 5% drop rate on a MVP that is near to impossible to kill is perfect probable :O. Just before the cards are released we need to make sure the MVP is hard as hell to kill because then the cards will def. cause problems ^^
Methamphetamine Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 I'd absolutely love love love love to see an MVP of this scale, almost like doing valk rand, ifrit, satan morroc or thana on lowrate. <3 Hell I even had fun with ktullanux... mm guild + vent. And I got survivor's manteau! :D
Kuyuti Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Posted February 5, 2009 Well Spam Gen and tell him to consider this lol...
Ryoji Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Lol, anyone know about GM mvps? ); some places give you qpons/points for each card you get that drops from them at 1%. Just mentioning, not suggesting.
