void1793

As far as ive seen, Crit has more hp though. 1st point - Rings The ring for crit gives aspd as well as crit (save some stats to agi and luk) which gives you extra stat points for vit The ring for dex gives +8% atk, everything else is the same (+str vit redux speed blah blah blah If you compare the two, dex really gives higher damage, while sacrificing some stats because he need more agi to max out the aspd since it lacks the aspd bonus from the crit ring 2nd point - Weapons O.Crit + O.Fenrir - i do not really see why this has an "underdog" stats. sure, it gives less than dex but imagine. O Crit + O Fenrir has 8 slots O.Dex + O.Hels/Loki Dag - It needs some additional stats for pete's sake. It needs incantation card(if one does not have thana) and phreeoni(if you using it for PVP and not WoE[Woe has flee reduction and the emperium really doesnt have flee haha]) That taken, compare, in PVP thana can be countered easily by paying 20 tokens. 2 Skolls and the sinx can say byebye to his damage. In WoE, undoubtedly dex would really be preferred, but see, it has a dynamic damage which is really risky in breaking, breaking doesnt go to the highest damage dealer, it goes to the last hit. By chance perhaps the damage while the emp is at its final moment is low, then you wont break. Versus those who do crit, Crit has a really constant damage and it doesnt have that risk Another point, Card modification rules. different damage modification is multiplicative, and same damage modification is additive -- Simpler terms, because the crit has the special card that increases crit damage, it has technically a better damage modification product. take in example in emp. take in example for 4 slots (PVP type). one weapon in dex can have 2TG + 2 Skel Worker. it will be [(1*40*)*30]. In crit, it has the paper card, in which the setup is 2 Paper 1 tg 1 skel. {[(1*40)*20]*15}. Calculate it and see the magic

Its either you do a crit hit or a normal hit. double attack is a skill that doubles a normal hit. Double attack bypasses a crit attack, even if you have 100 crit, if double attack procs, the hit wont be a critical, and instead be a normal hit(which does not ignore flee). I dont see this as a buff, rather, it will be a sucker punch in the face for crit users, since double attack bypasses crit calculations and is prioritized. You'll be double attacking at 50% the time when you are in fact in a crit build :/

Yup, just making something easier to do (which btw, can already be done by changing char). Other guys, thoughts for this?

Ping. Anybody? thoughts?

Well, technically, As farmers go, only sniper and wiz are common? Anyhow, it wont really change much of the system. Wiz farming treasure boxes and stone of sage can also sell with overcharge by storaging and selling it with a merchie. I had this idea because I was farming and ran out of zeny for broadcasting. Wanted to sell treasure box for zeny to broadcast. I had to log off my wizard. Got back to farming and had to do the bot check again :/ Well, not much of a hassle but adding overchard to the weapon wouldve really saved me a bit effort and time

Can you please add overcharge to L.Wiz? I mean, we all know the fastest zeny farming is HWC + abyss_03 (sage of stone, questionable) and both items be transferred to storage and sell it with a merchie. Why not just add Overcharge to L.Wiz. This can save us the (not so much) time and a little effort. This wont really imbalance the game, just saving us from selling treasure boxes without changing chars. It can also save us the bot checking when we want to sell the treasure box and farm again (this wont really matter much). I mean yeah, make the life of us, farmers, a little bit easier please?

Selling Clown B Ring for 2300. Leave in game name and I will PM you

No it does not. By making it an offhand weapon, it can be made into a PVP item instead of just thanaing the hell out of the emp or whatever the other stated. Does it have the stat of Hels or Fenrir of bonus damage to small enemies? Hels and Fenrir will not be useless. It is still used for breaking emps. It has bonus damage to small sized monsters (Emp) Well, i do suggest of not just making it an offhand. Im also suggesting it for balacing and revamp. look at that post above, not using seed while breaking emp? That is so OP if you ask me. I just want it to be useful in not just Thana emping. Im suggesting it to be balanced, as in making it equippable for offhand (still restricted one at a time), with lowered stats or lowered lifesteal. retaining its extra hit and some bonus stats in the process (and not that high)

You just completely missed the point... Well, no use explaining to you :| And FYI, sword and dagger only differs in the size modification. Since PVP is mostly medium to medium, doesnt really affect anything LOL :) Swords dont have higher attack than dagger, since its a custom item, its attack is equal to what the creators want it to be. They can make a dagger with so much attack power than a sword if they ever wanted it And O hels for the dex? yeah it adds dex. But is it really much compared to Dex sword? wheres the +30 hit? And stat wise, id really rather have O.Loki dag than O Hels :D

Now you see, That is OP there. Not using seed while hitting emp with thana means you dont die right? cause you are not using any seed. I Suggest that they balance it a bit by lowering its stats or life steal. And making it possible to do double attack while using this weapon. Then dex sword then can be using in double attack type And you only see it for attacking EMP with thana. Well, what i wish for to be able to use it in PVP, not just thanaing the emperium and not using seeds Using it as a main hand without thana in PVP is inferior. Why not just use Crit? youd have another different card modifier (the paper) and dish out more damage

Ohh really? what about people who doesnt have thana? Nice reasoning but not everybody has 7k tokens to spend on such a card. PS: and your PS didnt have any connection to the point at all :/

Thats what im pointing out. ruining the whole point of it going to be a mainhand. That was what i was pointing out from the start. Either making it an exculsive offhand weapon, or making it a dagger class weapon (even though its name says it sword, its weapon category is a dagger)

Still, having a dex sword that is intended to be in the mainhand is really really not good. Ohh well, Ill just wait for the decision of the GMs :D You have your point and i have mine

Criticals are prioritized than DAs as far as i know. And yeah, it is good to use double daggers. Then what is this SinX Oriental Dex Sword used for? Decoration? Its just doesnt make sense to me making a mainhand exclusive item for a DEX sinx. Dex is intended to do double attack as opposed to the crit build. Making a donation item that is mainhand exclusive a sword for sinx, I dont think its very much needed. And if you are intending to not double attack, just go for the crit build. Since different card modifiers are multiplicative compared to the additive same card modifier. If you are gonna use the donation dex weapon for sinx, and you do not do double attack, just do the crit type. It would dish out more damage as you have another card modifier (The paper) as opposed to the dex build which cant use it With that said, it really just makes the SinX Oriental Dex Sword an Oriental Item. Just for show or a decoration and doesnt really much have uses in it

It is clear as day that sinx oriental dex sword can only be equipped in mainhand right? Well, if the 70% lifesteal is too much, then balance it? What im saying is the -50 Crit is so much needed and the extra hit it gives Building a double attack sinx with so much crits flying around is meh. As you have said, it might need testing, but it would sure give this sword justice, as it is useless right now. If you make a dex type sinx with this as mainhand (and not double attack) Why not just make a crit? you would dish out more damage

Additional: That -50 Crit and extra Hit is very much needed pretty much so yeah. Please take time and think about it The Sets here pretty much give so much crit that even if you make a dex type double attack sinx, you crit way too much than intended. So the -50 Crit IS VERY VERY VERY MUCH USEFUL and the extra hit it gives. I do think its imbalance having 2 of it equipped at the same time, why not make it equippable in one of the hand at a time only? Like if equipped at offhand, cant equip it in main hand, if equipped in main hand, cant be equipped in offhand? or simply turn its weapon type as a dagger

We all know that SinX Oriental Crit Sword can only be equipped in mainhand as it would be too much OP if you can also equip it in offhand But the SinX Oriental Dex Sword is different. When you build a Crit type Sinx, It would be fine to use SinX Oriental CRIT sword in the mainhand cause you are critting. Not much mechanics there. But building a Dex type Sinx means you would want to double attack right? Having SinX Oriental Dex Sword equipped in mainhand is pretty much dumb cause you cant double attack with a sword. Is it expected that when Sinx goes dex, its automatically Soul Destroyer type? Even if that were the case, The stat in SinX Oriental Dex Sword is shitty for an SD type compared to Loki's. Why not just use Loki Cursed [Red/Blue] Blades? It gives more appropriate stats for soul destroyer builds than SinX Oriental Dex Swords (+40 int). That being said, It makes SinX Oriental Dex Sword unusable except maybe for the bash build which is really wth :D Why not just use LK and use BB if you want to spam bash skills so much. We made SinX for a reason :) My suggestion is that maybe make SinX Oriental Dex Sword a dagger type? Or maybe allow it to be equipped in the offhand while still restricting 2x equip of it in both hands? The way I see it SinX Oriental Dex Sword is inferior and useless with its current mechanics

Given that, why not make the dex sword equippable to offhand? Ive been jumping from forum posts to posts. Ive concluded that dex swords cant be equipped to offhand? Like the crit sword? Am i wrong in this? or dex sword really cant be equipped in offhand/lefthand

I heard assassin crit sword cant be equipped both on left and right at the same time. But can it be equipped to left hand alone? also the assassin dex sword, can i equip them at left hand and have a dagger at right hand?