for the love of jews will everyone stop fighting about the ninja vs WS or ninja vs all jobs... its just a god damn game, i saw that fight yeah the ninja spam's tatami and circada, i see its a bit unfair, if u cant kill the ninja with another class make a fucking WS, if u cant kill the ninja with a WS run, no reason to abuse BC with all that.. forsaken is based on the REAL/ORIGINAL ragnarok.. we just pretty much have the easier way of getting stronger(super fast lvling and farming)or even fucking donate.. we cant really take a skill away or mess with it cuz it pisses 7 people off, i got a problem with puppetring card but i dont tell the GM to takie it away.. yeah im DDH and i dont make sense when i talk most of the time, but anyway DREADNAUGHT fights with everyone and some of our members are being K.O.S by other players cuz we Gang it is a strategy FYI.. we dont bitch and cry and BC or post something on the god damn forum if we get bashed on.. im defending the ninja cuz i played ninja before and i like playing ninja :)