Veracity Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 While I understand why people may be upset, the system before was inconsistent. Golden Valkyrie Helm was the only Valkyrie Helm to drop from WoE castles and had the same stats as Imperials, yet it dropped at 4% as opposed to 0.5%. This doesn't make sense and should have been corrected a long time ago. (I know many of you will bring up how important looks/color are in relation to prices on this server, but that's mostly a result of demand for more aesthetically pleasing colors and players setting prices. The administration should not be assigning more or less value [or making it easier to obtain certain items] based on color. When Zodiac Auroras, or even these balloons, have come out, we do not charge different prices for different colors. All WoE drops should be consistent, and if they aren't, that should be corrected... that's what we're trying to do.) It would be impractical to make a new Imperial Helm that was better than the others. Instead, we made it so everything was consistent: the Golden Valkyrie Helm has the same stats as all of the other Valkyrie Helms now, and the Golden Imperial Helm has the same stats as other Imperial Helms. Further increasing the Imperial Helm's stats, even if it was only gold, doesn't make sense and really isn't an option. If we keep having to add stats to items like this and "outdoing" ourselves, in time items would be adding +50 all stats, which needless to say, wouldn't be good. Instead of thinking in the short term and what benefits yourselves, think of the overall server. It's only three stats. If it "messes up your build," then make a new one. The differences would be minimal. I think maybe recoloring the GvH so it's different than the Tan Valkyrie Helm would be an option, as well as adding it to the Valkyrie Helm NPC.
Genesis Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 @Aerynth This topic has more views and more replies than the update topic. There is much to be desired in terms of appreciation.
supream Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) first of all guys saying fok u guys, terrible job, and stuff like that isnt going to get this changed back. but im just wondering since all the other suggestions we made about changing items like this were rejected because so many people already had them, why is it that this got changed. does this mean we can suggest changes to gear that many people have, like emp rop and stuff, and if everyone agrees it will get changed? Edited October 2, 2011 by supream
Aerynth Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 @Genesis It is only natural for us to do so, and I did show my appreciation there. Fyi. And everyone is curious about the outcome for the GVH future. @Veracity Its true what you said Veracity, :/ but why put it in Valkyrie Changer? In the frst place it was special, does that mean I can change all my Fhelm to to Golden Valkyrie Helm? :O I'm sorry if I sound bashful, apologies.
TensaZangetsu Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 why don't everyone stop crying and save up for a imp lmfao
Veracity Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 @Veracity Its true what you said Veracity, :/ but why put it in Valkyrie Changer? In the frst place it was special, does that mean I can change all my Fhelm to to Golden Valkyrie Helm? :O Some people were saying they wanted to be able to change the color of it using the Valkyrie Exchanger, or not being able to do so made it less valuable than other Valkyrie Helms, which is why I mentioned that. If people didn't want it to be added, then that's fine too.
Dudu Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Good Point Mike, i remember when they suggested nerfing the price for the scraves, people that already had their scarf worth 60 vote tickets, began to complain of course because the guy that suggested it wanted a lower price. But in this case, they changed the GvH effect with no notice beforehand and, we just have to stick to the changes, i bet that 80% of the population had GvH just because of the +3 stats. Making a build sounds easy but sometimes, if we put it this way, those 3 stats might help you boost your HP to add resistance to Asura, or can also help SinX's to get their Attack Combo well done. Another problem is, for example, they change the GvH color, it wont be a recompensation to the player that already had it, because everyone could just change the color tru the Valk Changer. And Gen, things like this happens most of the times when, older players gets involved in Updates, example, New players will just be happy about the upgrade because they will work their asses to get the new stuff, but for older players, you are nerfing somethin that they DID work'd their asses of to get it. Thats sometimes the reason on why this happens Gen.
supream Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 and besides you guys already rejected this. proof here http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=18195 why did you decide to do it now.
TensaZangetsu Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Says the person who sold all his GVH.im going to the marines so i dont real play anymore lol
Veracity Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 and besides you guys already rejected this. proof here http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=18195 why did you decide to do it now. Actually, he was suggesting to increase the stats of Imperial helms (which some people have been saying here as well). Later in the topic, I said the only way to correct the issue he raised was to make Imperials and GvH drop at the same percentage but at that time that wasn't the best thing. However, it should be obvious why we changed the GvH now... we had to add a Gold Imperial Helm for WoE 2.0. Introducing this helm required something to change. We can't increase the stats of the Imperial anymore (consistent with what was said in that topic), so we regulated the WoE drops system to what it should have been a long time ago.
Aerynth Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Seems that it cant be changed then. Sigh. I shall wait what are we to be compensated for GVH. My thoughts is, to eradicate all the GVHs in the server by trading them in for compensation. Let there be only Golden Imperial Helm then if it was suppose to be the intended way. Tho saying that, fix the GVH which is now a problem. Its now the identical item to the new Imp. Valkyrie Changer is a no no. I'm moving on and shall go on with what Gen suggested about recompensating. I'm tired. Edited October 2, 2011 by Aerynth
Beautiful Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 i honestly dont see why you guys are complaining. they have their own reasons to why the needed to take it out of effect. get real people. YOU WANT the +3, but you dont need it. +3 stats do not make it so that one class will be over powered. ya it sucks to see that someone that people spend money buying turns out to be somewhat useless. you are complaining about something that in the last few months has gone down by so much. it started off at 250-300 thenn it was 200 tokens and then now it was at 150 tokes some people even sell at 110 tokens. everytime an update happens the first thing people notice are always " Ohh shit this is soo op they need to nerf it and all that shit. " how about you take a step back and look at what they at least tried to do. you guys wanted better weps so they gave the Valk weps and now everyone uses it and likes them. why not just be thank full for what they gave us? it seems like all everyone does in this server is complain complain complain. think about how long it takes them to do all this shit just for us to play the game. but srsly 3 stats it isnt that bad. make you build and just tweek it a little bit or better yet. elite the char. and use the +200 points to get yourself you 3 extra stats. 3 extra stats wont make the server imbalanced. and if you are making a big deal about how much you spent on the itam. then im sorry 200 tokes is kinda alot. but how about the people who got Badge of Honor the hardest drop on the castle drop list. and even that has been resorted to nothing. be thankful sheesh
hazel Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Also, if people havent know about the stats bonus given when u become a Forsaken Elite, that will help you get ur +3 stats back. The stats bonus is 200. so use that 200 wisely n im sure things will be in balanced again. Use the resources people, instead of complaining.
Xtopher Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Pretty much. This happens every update. Something get's changed, people complain about it. There is always, ALWAYS something to complain about. Or at least, people always find something to complain about. I don't particularly want to spend my time if I see little to no appreciation. I am looking at you Dudu. I agree. People always complain. But, I have never since I've been here (like 3-4 years) seen a suggestion so one sided. Obviously the majority of the community wants this changed back... Whats the problem with that? I've supported almost everything the GM team has developed and implemented up until now but even I can't support this. You guys keep saying "QQ over 3 stats" blah blah blah but this is how I see it breaking down now: 1. You're a GM who hardly or never plays a legit account thus not effected by this. 2. You're a richer player with Imperial Helmets who was made BETTER OFF by this so of course you don't want it undone. 3. A combination of the two above. You didn't just take 3 all stats from people. You robbed them of tokens and of all their current builds then expect them to buy more expensive equipment once they've been robbed. Someone is giving us the run around here and people are realizing it. Its a slap in the face to the player community. WoE 2.0 doesn't need more attraction. Players will be eating this up as is. Golden Imp price would have been VERY expensive even without changing GvH. It's a new item that no one has and is hard to get... My guess is the first one on the market will sell for 5k+ tokens. Edited October 2, 2011 by Xtopher
.Kyuubi. Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Posted October 2, 2011 lol this is so funny its an easy fix, give the +3 back to gvh and make imps give +5
supream Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 imps dont need more stats as stated in that other suggestion that got rejected. but since there was already a gold color valk out i would of thought of releasing black imp or red instead of having to chose whether to nerf the current golden color helm or boost other things.
Dudu Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Red would be pretty hot. And xt0, the Blue Imp, atm is like 5k+, Imagine the Golden Imp lmao..
Xtopher Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Red would be pretty hot. And xt0, the Blue Imp, atm is like 5k+, Imagine the Golden Imp lmao.. I know right... exactly my point. You guys think a guild leaders going to be passing out a 5k+ item to average guildies? It would take months-years.
Dudu Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Oh that reminds me, since you were really loyal to Trans, how many Imp's did they gave out in their entire come back? Dont count those when they quitted lol.
Melon Bread Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Again, the only person actually giving you a reason to fix this situation (and a few others). As Xtopher already stated above, 3 stats, you say thats nothing? Well his breakdown pretty much explains it, though i have one thing to add. As a player (referring to the GMs) the actual community who play the server, for one would know better in what makes a difference and what doesn't. If you're trying to say a 3 stat difference is nothing, I can bring in all the statistical evidence and ingame tests to prove, you are wrong, this one sided argument with no proof or a logical explanation is totally invalid, I don't see any sort of comment where a developers actually looking at both sides of the argument. As I mentionned before, per full guid (76 people) a leader has to provide a GVH to each an every one of them, 19% of the population! Ok, lets say we have about 4 full guilds which are active and regularly seen in every woe (whether it be european or american) 19 x 4, thats 76%. 76% of the population of our community were robbed of their tokens with a depreciation value of 70% of the GVHs value. The average player does not even have enough items to trade in for an IMP. Okay, fair enough. This is indeed a slap in the face. It's like nerfing a balloon to give 10 stats, thats not a balloon, thats just a rucks effect with a balloons sprite. Free time you say? People sacrifice their free time to actually buy anything here, free time, the community works to get 150-300 tokens to get a GVH (free time, farming and what not), just to find that their hard work went to loss because the item was nerfed. If there is going to be any sort of compensation, Im very sure that we would like our hard work and free time aswell as 70% value of the item back. Don't expect no one to just take this in and let it go, we wouldnt argue if we weren't dedicated. I've been here for almost 4 years and have never been so de-motivated and unsatisfied. Don't expect people to now just buy stuff that they are unable to afford, you would have already demotivated players just by this. Those are my two cents. Yours, Mel/Simplicity.
Genesis Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 GVH isn't going to be given the 3 stats back. 1
