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i lol at this.. just because you got annoyed at slow gracers and you don't have them in your guild doesn't mean everybody who uses that tactic should suffer with it too.

I do hope the damage was not shown.

They are fun, yep, but I still think some skills are imbalanced for a normal server.

on a normal server they are imbalanced already as of this moment. Until people here had done some tests, I don't think it would be wise to put them yet.

lol. looks nicer anyway :D

Does it still work? most people donate here by paypal and I cannot do that just yet. So I am thinking of using the only means available for me right now which is Western Union. So yeah I am asking if it still works. If it does, how long does it usually take for you guys to get it. (I'm in southeast asia right now)

Ill get that nokia if I could, but no.... COLLEGE IS KILLING MY MONEY.

If new guys are finding it hard to start here, then things have changed when I started. Probably because most guys when I started are helpful. I mean really, really helpful. now only a few does that. people tend to ignore new guys in fcity asking questions. The server is not unbalanced as others, but still far from balanced. I mean, look at the mage branch class and gypsies hp right? but yeah, if we are gonna change one thing, we need to change everything. not instantly but slowly would do.

Goodluck in life Ashley and I am honored to be called your best friend here. You don't need to say goodbye to me, even if you are not in FRO anymore, I'll still be there to listen to your problems like before. Feel free to contact me anytime you want.

I don't think you need that much str too.

^ he hit the nail right there. Unless you actually DO experience the server without thinking of "this should be like this because it is like that in the other servers I PLAYED ON" then whatever you say won't matter much on this server.(why would people listen to you if you don't even listen to what we are saying) I am not fond of last minute breaking, even if it works if you do it well. If I were to choose, I'd choose to get the castle and defend it. why am I suggesting it to you? because you want to break with a newly formed guild. I don't think with your members you could even defend against two small guilds here. I don't think you would even be able to defend a small guild like us, much more if you try to defend against a really good small guild like RIP. And we haven't broken the emp prior to breaking it, and yet we got members, so why can't you do that? To be honest, my members are even better geared than me :D I didn't tell you to close your mind to everything but this server. I told you to open your mind that this server is different from what you played. What works there cannot work here. that simple. You said that the issue you have is the lack of skill needed to get a castle. then why suggest to open castles? having many castles would ensure you have the skills to break it? no one will be even try to break those castles because they EACH got one, unless people get greedy, and it usually happens. and that won't leave their castle open to attacks. why? because not everyone will go break. Well you want 2-3 guilds vs 1 right? ok then. Try to get payon next time when people are defending it(like when RM and influence defends it) problem solved. you are saying 9 guilds fight over a castle here, that is probably in Euro right? Well if you look closely it is not 9 guilds, rather 4 guilds with less than 10 members, 1 or 2 guilds with more than 10 members but less than 20, and the rest are just breakers of the other guilds. I don't see overcrowding although yeah luck is one of the factor in euro woe. To be honest with you, if I don't care about the economy and just think of getting woe drops, I'll agree with you. But I've been in this server nearly from the start. We actually had fun with just one castle and that castle doesn't even had the drops we have now. You say you are fully geared. fully geared with the things you used on the other server? that might work but when you fight against people with custom gears here and knows how to use them, then yeah your chance will be so low.

Agree to Jay :D

I should hunt fire armors or stone of sages for a month and see what I can get...

I have to read your novel of a post again but none of what you posted there answered my question. Why the hell did you make a woe oriented guild when you yourself is new to this server and you know yourself that you cannot fight, or compete or whatever term you want with the state of the older guilds right now? I asked WHY. and I have to answer one post you made that made me laugh. "There are 20 castles (30 with WoE 2.0) in the game, there are maybe 3 guilds (as of now) with the possible ability to end up with 2 castles. Once again for the sake of argument, lets say that those three guilds do end up with 2 castles at the end of WoE. 2 x 3=6, 20 - 6=14. Thats 14 castles left for smaller guilds. I would also like to point out to you that the probability of any of those guilds ending up with 2 castles is between 25-30%. A monopoly cannot happen this way. Out of 10 years of RO gameplay experience, I have only seen monopolies on servers with castle restrictions." Of course no monopoly will happen, since monopoly isn't needed if we do that. and even if we reduce the drop rate, we have what, less than 10 WoE active guilds. so they get each a castle. If we will aim for drops, we will talk to everyone and just stay out of everyone's castle and we will all go home happy. and we just wait for it. Out of your 10 years of RO gameplay experience, you cannot even do math. and again, of course the bigger guilds WILL target the smaller ones. what makes you think they won't? because they are busy defending? why would they defend? If I would have to choose on which to attack, I won't definitely choose the ones that I know can defend because they got a big guild, ill choose the castle that a smaller guild holds or a guild that has the same experience as your guild. oh and sorry but you are wrong at that assumption. You are thinking that they will do what you expect them to do because it has happened in your 80+ servers that you played. and your other argument on why you compared this server to others is because of a causality chain? we are talking of WoE. why did you use an example of duping items on a server? you wanted a one on one situation on woe. That is boring, I don't know why you like it :p we got a max 500 population on this server. Opening more castles will not ever help with that kind of population. And we won't open a new castle just because a new guy and his new guild cannot get a castle when most of us can. Unless you can provide a good argument, the one that can ACTUALLY be seen in THIS server and not OTHERS. ok to be fair to you, if ever the server's population can get to 800-1k, I would think that opening one more castle might help, but opening them all, hell no. my guild doesn't have the castle, we only got it ONCE. I got my gear by not donating. and I disagree with you. You wanted to get a castle so fast dude. I really suggest you make yourself stronger first. You say you had a hard time getting a castle in this server than others right? that means whatever tactic or strategy you used before cannot work in a competitive woe like here.

^ exactly what most people are saying, and he just don't want to hear it. @topicstarter So you are saying that if we open the other castles so smaller guilds fight in them right? WOW then If I am the leader of the bigger guilds then I will surely target those castles since only new guys defend them. And for the record, we are right and you are wrong. Your arguments are back and forth. You are too close-minded. We have told you, opening a castle won't make newer guilds get their share of drops, but rather give bigger guilds with pro and experienced breakers and guilds that can actually defend will monopoly drops again. What you visualize on happening when we open new castles simply will not happen. And you still continue to compare this server to others. try not to do that and learn the ways of this server first. on your argument on salary. Um I haven't donated ever. I get salary by hunting for it and having other members of my guild hunt for them. so your flow chart of no castle= guild disband is just an excuse. there are many ways to get salary for members, you just wanted an easy way to get them. and you said it already, if you cannot get the castle, you won't get members. How the hell do you expect to get a castle when you are new and the guild is new? I still cannot see the reason on making a new guild to woe when you know yourself that you cannot get a castle with that much competition. and again, you also said that quality>quantity. so get yourself a few good members and show us if your guild can do it. on breaking. If you woed here long enough, you will see that breaking isn't all about luck as you said. Yes luck is part of it. But try to woe every day it is on. You will see the breaker's name right? you will notice that they will be the ones who broke the emp almost everyday it is on. on the last paragraph you put on your novel, you also said that it is not easy as it sounds when trying to last hit right? if it is then you wouldn't even made this thread, as you said. That just proves that you wanted an EASY way to break or get the emp. The competition makes it fun, I don't know why you don't like it. Or is it because you know in yourself you cannot get the castle if it is that hard to get it? So I want to post my question again that you haven't answered. Why make a new guild to woe when you are new, and you know you cannot compete with the other guilds?

The only manga I physically own is DeathNote. thank god i got everything.

My point is your argument of "more castles=more competition" is absurd. And why the hell would you make a woe oriented guild when you yourself is 1. new to the server 2. doesn't have enough resources to give out salary to your members that in itself shows that you lack something to make the guild work, thus you cannot say "no castle= guild disbands". Most guys want salary for their work in WoE. Some don't. I am gonna state this once more. You.Are.New. Why did you make a guild to woe with when you yourself isn't ready yet. You think winning a castle is a shortcut to get yourself geared? also guild masters are often seen with respect among their members and some people in the community, that is also a reason why people stay in the guild, not just the drops. I know most of my members in my guild did just that, they stayed until now even if I don't really give out much salary last time. Lastly, yes EVERYBODY had thought of the strategy of last hitting the emp. I don't see the point of you making that reply when I told you that if you can break the emp in 5 seconds flat, then you wouldn't have the problem of last hitting. I just thought you wouldn't have a problem getting a castle if you could do that. IF you really can do that, then do it. no problems there right? p.s. You haven't reacted on the last part of my post that you quoted. then I'll state it again. by suggesting another castle when almost everybody is fine with the way it is, it actually sounds like your guild cannot compete with most of the guilds out here in FRO. Solution? Make yourself and your guild stronger then. As we said, smaller guilds here actually got castles when they wanted to.

nice guide :D

If we get more players obviously. From what you are actually stating, you do want to get WoE drops faster am I right? You are new to the server, I suggest you do what everybody else did, hunt for their gears or whatever else they did to get stronger so they can WoE. Suggesting to open more castles will NOT, I repeat, will NOT make lesser guilds have the opportunity to gain drops, it is the opposite actually. It will make the bigger guilds gain drops faster, trust me. p.s. and on you breaking the emp 5 seconds flat.. well If you can do that, then we do not need another castle do we? you can just last minute and break it when woe is about to end, no problem there right? and by suggesting another castle when almost everybody is fine with the way it is, it actually sounds like your guild cannot compete with most of the guilds out here in FRO. As we said, smaller guilds here actually got castles when they wanted to.

It is more fun having to fight for the castle to be honest. I do not like the idea of opening up more castles since people could just make his own guild, try to solo a castle that has no defense whatsoever and get all the drops for himself. and yes smaller guilds can actually get the castle once in a while if you know how to(mine got euro castle at least once) so yeah it's been fun. and if you think you cannot become "powerful" without getting drops, then I suggest you take your time and get the feel of the server first. WoE drops is not exactly always the reason why people WoE too. Others join woe to get ladder kills if I'm not mistaken(since ladder prizes are good too). As for me, I WoE for fun. If I get a woe drop then it's good, if not then at least I had fun. If we open more castles, we lose that factor.

I actually want to see them fight :p

Or they just have enough sp and enough damage cards(don't forget fbh+sohee) to actually remove some effect of GR. most champs asura with 999k on people without GR.

I don't think GM Relinquish is the only one in charge of the ticket system

in woe, my screen just freezes for 3 mins.

^ agree. can't even pvp/mvp well cause of lag.