Sorrow

BB is a Knight Skill(Knight<Lord Knight) :3 And well, the only class in this game that has an edge vs champs are the paladins XD We must always remember that if a change gets too out of hand it can be re-done, just like it appears this change is gonna be re-done! xD But yeah needs testing, specially from a player of the class :3

i have an idea; why everyone who is against the suggestion and keeps trying to tell ways how it can work out, try making your own magic built stalker and feel on the flesh how 'awesome and OP and fine' they are instead of making assumptions or trying to teach the bird how to fly? :3 See if that works! When a magic stalker starts spamming LSoI on you what you do? You put Maya or GTB and and case closed you know they can't do anything else! If they spam AD on you, you'll prolly laugh at their low damage output untill they take off your GR and then you'll come back with FCP and a /gg face. If a WS starts spamming TT on you and you die no matter what, what you do? You come make a suggestion on the forums to nerf them...thats basicly what Yeung did, after trying many ways to make it work, it didn't! Thus he came and made a suggestion based on all the data he got from self experience. Ranged Stalkers can and are taken seriously(in fact there's a fair number of them), why the heck a magic stalker can't get tools enough to make it be taken seriously too? Not so far as being dominant pvp class but at least viable.

Well if in the time it takes to fire one asura, a WS can fire 3 CTs, while a full Asura can reach as much as 150k(i'm being generous here considering you can nerf that OP shiz THIS much from a nicely geared champ) on full reductions against it and 3 CTs of 50 dmg each, then i'd say that's balanced :D i do believe you have time to press the ygg button at least once in the middle of the 3 CTs there...with asura you get all at once, no chance to ygg in between! xP People don't compare BB with CT, CT is a skill that belongs to a Transcendent job and has more use requizites(buffs-money) than BB, it is SUPPOSED to be more powerful than a BB just like BB is supposed to be stronger than Magnum Break!

Okay :3 then maybe LSoI+...Falling Lightning Strike? XD Heck i think just Lsoi would do if anything else is asking for too much xP And Creators will always deal 40% more damage with AD than a stalker can thanks to their Creator's only weapon, they won't be surpassed ;P If anything Stalkers can be Evil Creators! *Full Strip vs FCP* Magic stalkers are fine because of the versatility...well stalkers are versatile to build once built they have a single skill...thats not really the meaning of the word 'versatility' ... i mean... a single option(that can be swapped away)? Besides, regardless of the spell they choose, GTB still is the one thing that'll stop them completely, one skill<>one solution, that's NOT very versatile either xD Believe the evidence the eyes bring; go on for_fild or during a woe and count on your two hands how much bow wielding stalkers you meet then how much magic wielding stalkers you meet. That'll tell you really if they're fine or not ;3 If you meet one magic stalker and that's you trying to increase numbers...then we have a problem!

Splendid :D i agree and put N reasonings along with the other suggestions in the past. Magic stalkers can be a lot of fun, but they suffer far more than any other of the magic classes specially for the fact that they don't have spells of their own. i agree on adding the spells Lightning Spear of Ice and Meteor Storm, both at level 10. This combinations seems to be the most logical seeing as Meteor Storm will give them their AoE needs while LSoI will give them their one target needs, professors have double bolt that's the superior skills for single target magic along with TS and HD for AoE uses, and wizzards have an arsenal of AoEs along with their Amplification and JT for their One Target sniping. MS is a very tempting spell for being excellent, that will most likely make stalkers who do the magic build must having kiels. Having MS and LSoI from the weapon, they can focus their Plagiarism on getting an anti-GTB skill; we live happily ever after :D

i actually think 50k peaks on Cart Termination is quite fair, i mean, its a mediam damage needed in order to kill anything actually. i really don't think its overpowered(one third of my main character's life tho xD) seeing as it is almost in the same boat Asura is...with the whole requiring buffs and being meelee only. But yeah i'm not sure just how much of a % up or atk+ would be necessary to attain that much, Cart Temination faces severe penalties in its calculation when transfered from a low rate to a high rate, besides RO mechanics for calculation are a bit weird.

Yeah i think its actually 16 times more gross because 4 times more people and with a plot 4 times more grotesque xD

i think the dagger needs that spell to make magic stalkers less...stupid/weak! Everyone uses bows meng! xD And wb :3 Vive la revolución!

i believe +5k on each of the damage variables would be better tho. Like TT: 20~25k CT: 35~45k Snipers get past 45k DS & FAS, same is truth for Clowns with their AVs. i think that for having to attack at point blank range, hitting a single target, expending a bunch of money & must being buffed(dispell screws that over), WS should deal heavier damage with CT than a sniper with their one buttom across the screen DS ^^"

Film it would give chills? i find it kinda awesome there were 3 actual actors who accepted the roles of the centipede xP

The last posts seemed to have gone in that direction with the 'CT based' and 'disapointed with tomahawk' ^^" i'm just concerned with the class and players who enjoy it is all, if the nerf is too big they might become too weak once again ^^" and since tunning up or down items and whatnot is something that happens with time, if this nerf ends up too big, the next 'adjustment' will take time(if happens at all) XD But ya, so long as you guys, the WhiteSmith players, are happy with the class you have my support xD i'd like to see numbers as to what each of you think TT should be reduced to and CT buffed tho, to get a better idea of what each of you talking about & its practical changes :3 i saw some people saying 1100% instead of 2000% for TT and honestly i think that's too much of a nerf. Specially since CT and TT work on different shoes(literally FBH vs Master Forger).

The suggestion is not bad by any means, but its just that /effect is an easier solution than making the staff go through a lot of work in editing skill sprites xD Besides skills like desperado aren't affected by skill sprites because the mere damage calculation per target inside the area already makes a lot of lag. And honestly, my only real issues with lag during woe is when a lot of GSs start dancing together xP The rest is quite manageable with /effects alone.

i think removing TT and giving pure buffs only to cart termination will be bad, without TT they get easily overwhelmed by classes with ranged attacks(aka; everyone but sinx) because really, walking 6 cells away after an auto dispell or auto agi decrease and just spam something that makes stun lock on the WS is simple as swapping shields. That's what caused WSs to be eclipsed by every other class out there before the weapon came along, so think carefully about the whole 'remove TT' thingy guys... Be careful on the desired changes you guys want, i don't play WS, but it worries me when it starts to appear that after so many time thrown in the darkness, WS players seem to want to throw everything they've gotten away, it'd be sad if they gotten back to be underated kill-nothing-and-everyone-owns whimps they used to be XD Just saying...

i didn't have a chance to play it yet, but i'm sure it'll be even more awesome if GTB gets nerfed :3

(guys makes a post acording to the game xP i'll just leave a 'what if' forsomeone here) What if you had to stay and stare to the rest of what remains of your own world crumbling to dust?